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Title: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: cobbledik on January 16, 2012, 04:21:45 PM
Trip Report – Los Banditos – Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side

I blame Brad.

Here's a suggestion: since you're obviously in a Pinnacles frame of mind, do the second ascent of Los Banditos on Machete (it's in the new routes sticky thread). To my knowledge this hasn't had a second ascent and I think it's really pretty good (and the aid is bomber A1).

     So with the closures looming and the valley a bit chilly for the tastes of the lovely lady Dixie, we show up at the West Side parking lot with a late 11:00am SF/LA start. Disaster is flirted with when Dixie asks if I brought my headlamp. I remembered it sitting in the tent at the campsite on the East Side and knew that we were destined to epic.
     "I brought two!" Dixie held them up and smiled. I smiled back. Success was in the air.

     We were here because of a phrase I'd recently begun to chant while I was solo aiding in Yosemite, Usually nighttime and dry-winter cold blanket the past utterances of such statements, "I do what other can't because I do what other's won't." An attempt to both pump myself up and humble myself. This is part of the reason I find myself at the Pinnacles and Riverside Quarry these days. Crumbly ghosts of routes that can only be seen if you turn your head just right.
     "If it's so good, why hasn't anyone done the second ascent yet?"
     "No one wants to aid a ladder."
     "Sounds more like a litmus test to the free climbing. Gotta earn it."
     "You want to lead the crux free pitch?" We are currently walking past a large collection of boulders towards the base of Machete Ridge. I notice chalk on the boulders and then notice pad people looking over problems down in the gully between the boulders.
     "Can I look at the pitch first?" I look at her without responding,  "Besides, shouldn't the one who passes the litmus test get the plum pitch?"
     "Maybe." I make a note to tell her that I love her more often.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-g--q7lNLjfk/TxRlDeCyIiI/AAAAAAAAG-Y/UehjTPoeOK8/s400/DSC01835.JPG)
     We get to the base of West Face Route of Machete Ridge and make quick work of the bolt ladder. I end up moving too high on the wall and clipping to two bolts on the wall then making some badly protected and loose moves over a small chute to get to the base of Los Banditos. I had hoped to belay at the base of the ladder but the rock did not cooperate so I wandered around the meadow for a bit until I find a set of bolts on the slab below the face that will work.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-HLKIBQ-iWKU/TxRlDwkGMOI/AAAAAAAAG-c/_DThzTgPYxk/s400/DSC01836.JPG)
     Later, as I am freaking out at the last moves of the first real pitch, I will think about this and gain a bit of comfort. A long fall upon a small Southern Belle is better when she's anchored to bolts instead of scrapping against a deteriorating wall. With Dixie now at the belay, it’s time to start the business. I tell her that I love her and set off. She calls up to me, “That’s not the kind of ‘I love you’ you say before not coming back from something is it?” As I reach up and clip the first bolt of the ladder, I hang from my daisy and twist around slowly until I’m facing her.
   “If it wasn’t then this one definitely is.” I have enough time to see her smile before I twist back around, grab the ladder and pull myself up.

   The bolts in the first pitch are spaced well, epoxy glued, and fun. Overhanging enough that I would clip my new ladder, unfifi and swing backwards until I would hang beneath the new bolt like a pendulum in a clock. Reach up, step high, fifi in and repeat. Half the bolts can be reached from your third step, the rest from the second step. I did not need to topstep to clip any of the bolts. I clock in at 5’8” while Dixie comes in at 5’4”. She cleaned the route by reaiding and was able to reach the lower biner of each draw on the bolts. I would think that if the second was to jug this pitch, they would be able to practice the sort of hypervertical cleaning that is found on routes like West Face of Leaning Tower.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sJuYYvpxsnE/TxRlFMqN0ZI/AAAAAAAAG-k/2Z6ydxMebBM/s400/DSC01838.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3txpVEjqrko/TxRlF8TSsyI/AAAAAAAAG-o/uyb4bkAknPY/s400/DSC01839.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MmNBndg0t7k/TxRlHHWiNYI/AAAAAAAAG-w/Zv8nr8PH5g0/s400/DSC01841.JPG)
   The highlight of the pitch came at the final bolt. “Intimidating free moves” in the description. At this time I realized that I would need my climbing shoes for this last section. Unclipping them from behind myself, I yelled down to Dixie that I was going to go free as soon as I got my shoes on. In front of me was a collection of protruding rocks sticking suspiciously out of the wall, I pulled each of them in different directions to see which ones were suspect and which were timebombs like their brothers to the left right above and below of the bolt ladder below. I reminded myself of Erik Bratton on the MudnCrud forums saying, “All holds are bomber.” Moved myself forward enough to unhook my fifi from the bolt in front of me and started climbing.
   I returned to my ladder after a few moves. In my head, “5.9” meant handholds that could support bad feet. What I found when I went up was great feet that would have to support flat and sloping handholds. Easy climbing but my body was still in the fog of an aid ladder and the fear of Pinnacles "rock".

   I am an aid climber. I am a trad climber. I am a sport climber. I am a boulderer… well, when I have to be. What I tend not to be is more than one in a single pitch. Phrases like “boulder move into crux then gain the anchor”, “Bring additional pro to protect the bolts”, or “mandatory free” make me turn the page and find a new route. As much as I don’t want to admit it, I want to turn off when I climb, not think, not be there. Get to the anchors and watch the analog gopro memory of what just did; figure out if I liked it after the climbing’s done.
     This was real free climbing after 8 bolts of real bolt laddering. The fall would be perfect, mosty into space with only enough scraping to make it worth it. Even if a bolt blew, there’d be another perfect bolt just feet below it; all crux free sections should be protected by more-than-vertical bolt ladders. I took another breath, released the fifi and went for it again. A few more moves this time and I found myself liebacking a triangle of rock with my right hand in order to step my right foot up. I could see the moves: step over, stem left foot, reach through left hand for… for… I made a grunt that masked my desire to squeal in fear and downclimbed back to the ladder.
     Now I was doing the thing that I haate the most, looking down at Dixie and apologizing for not doing things right the first time. Apologizing for the time she was sitting there. Apologizing for making her feel like she needed to encourage me. She smiled at me and went back and forth between telling me she believed in me and yelling at me to stop whining. Yelling that she had me if I fell and that I should just know that she was judging my manhood silently in her head the longer I sat there being afraid of where I wanted to be and what I wanted to do. She could be the perfect woman.
     A few more false starts and I decided that I wasn’t going to find the easy way that I had envisioned in my head when I read “5.9” A phrase from sport climbing came back into my head, “You’re in a gym. You’re in a gym.” These moves were similar, just not chalked, marked, taped, and bolted on. I thought of how nonchalantly I could walk up to a 12b in the gym and lead it to the top. Then I thought about how I’ve been tired and scared on the 5.9 of The Wet Kiss on the East Side.
     I made my agreement with myself to try again to failure. If I was coming back down, it would be the fast way, no downclimbing. In the gym, my partners and I have “no take fill-in-the-day” days of climbing; I looked at Dixie and yelled, “No take Saturday!” She responded quickly.
     “What?”
     I had already started to move.

     Hug two pinched jugs to step my feet up, right hand up to the triangle shaped hold, lean left, right foot up, step over, stem left, reach left hand through to nothing, bring it back to hand match on the triangle hold, right hand up to a small edge, open hand turns to crimp, right hip in, step left higher, right foot out, knee bent, reach left for big juggy hold, realize it’s not a juggy hold, reverse left hand back to face to palm the flat holds out there, right hand higher and more crimping, wishing I had chalked up, stem feet a bit more, reach left for another big hold and pull myself up with a arching back like I was doing the salutations to the sun. I’m on the ledge and staring at an orange biner on the redirect bolt, clipping my rope and moving to the anchor to the right.
     Dixie is silent and waiting for my usual whoop. I instead lean against the wall with my hands flat and feel my legs shake.
     The last time I was scared this way was across the gulley on the Balconies. I had tried to keep climbing above Lava Falls and had been turned back by an army of suicide bolts and holds fighting the opposite of trench warfare. The Pinnacles has a way of bringing out this part of myself. Soon Dixie is on belay and knocking rocks out of the wall as she comes up the bolt ladder.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Oj_oEt9zIYA/TxRlH0IWyyI/AAAAAAAAG-0/oIytiVxLUbc/s400/DSC01843.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tiF_QLqTxEI/TxRlNEmrd5I/AAAAAAAAG_I/4KFKRMc7Eo4/s400/DSC01848.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4bBh9Lsuamc/TxRlOcX4s1I/AAAAAAAAG_Q/38rbiqW7ZcE/s400/DSC01851.JPG)
     “This is bullshit.” She sounds like me when I have fun.  I look up at the next pitch and wonder how to convince Dixie that we should rap back to the ground and climb something less stressful. I did not know what to do about my feelings about the pitch I had just completed. I couldn’t stop smiling because the quality of movement to get to the anchors was something I seldom found outdoors on routes below 5.11... and yet, at the same time, I felt like I had just climbed two separate pitches in one. A video game with a level of all jump and kick followed by a boss that was all duck and punch. What is a route supposed to be, continuous or good? And was good climbing that was easily distracted still good? My heartbeat worked as a timekeeper, and by the time Dixie reached the belay, my leg had long since stopped shaking and I had reclimbed the sequence to the anchors at least 10 more times.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5O1txfaYDY0/TxRlJcAf74I/AAAAAAAAG-8/cOFTFmCC-4M/s400/DSC01845.JPG)

     I offer Dixie the next pitch at the belay. She looks at me rather than the climbing above her. “This is your pitch” I nod and grab my quickdraws off of her and make the moves into the chute. What followed was consistently fun, technical, and solid. I was moving over the rock like water and never thought about the fact that I was on an early route with rock I should hold with more suspect.
     Everything was bolted perfectly with a bolt right before every section that might have given me pause. As I continued on I was overcome with the feeling that this was not just a way up the rock as much as a true climb, something of a collaboration between the rock and the first ascentionists. Simple and fun.
     The first crux bulge came in at 5.10a on the topo and was fluid and fun, rewarding stemming and palming greatly. The final 5.10a bulge came and went with two handholds that I held onto until both hands were at my waist before reaching for a thank-god jug and finishing to the anchors.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7Ij-cdr8rEY/TxRlPJip8xI/AAAAAAAAG_U/vZVQoOxInI8/s400/DSC01853.JPG)
     This pitch was like moving through time and was over much faster than I wanted it to be. More than once I would yell down to Dixie “This pitch is amazing!” and “You’re going to love these moves.” Her eye rolling echoed off of the Flumes formation across the gulley.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-i8JLAfV5-qg/TxRlQptT6tI/AAAAAAAAG_c/y0gzcrOytng/s400/DSC01857.JPG)(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_RzOYzaeZLU/TxRlTg_imKI/AAAAAAAAG_w/DqKI77ok3H4/s400/DSC01865.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2Erq4dQ6da4/TxRlUkWNrGI/AAAAAAAAG_0/XFC5gJakbWg/s400/DSC01866.JPG)
     The next pitch was Dixie’s and she set off with a determination that I study in the mirror at home so that I can try to exude it when others are watching. Easy 5.7 munge hiking I had described to her. Once she was out of reach, the cascading flow of leaves and dust rolling down the groove made me question the ease of the pitch.
     From anchor bolts I felt like ten white pins at the end of a bowling alley. Dixie leads above me up a water streak of black moss, leaves, dirt, and breaking rock. 5.7 run out climbing with the optional knob slung here and there. I hold the printout of the route description in one hand, holding down the cam of the grigri with the same hand’s wrist while I pay out more and more of the rapidly disappearing rope. “Ten feet!” I yell up at her. The printout in front of me says 195’ for the third pitch. I am doing metric conversion to feet for 60 meters of rope when Dixie responds to my yell of the remaining rope.
   “ROCK!” I hear the familiar helicopter whomp whomp of rocks coming from above me. This one has a deeper tone than I’ve been hearing. I have moments of inaction before my mind stops converting metric to standard and instead converts pitch to size. I flatten myself to the wall as a rock that was once the size of a grapefruit bounces tot he right of me, shattering into smaller golf balls and continuing its crashing helicopter imitation towards the ground. Dixie yells again and I get comfortable as more rocks tumble past, these smaller and hitting me as dust by the time they reach me. I think of Ash Wednesday. Dixie yells again, “Did you say something?”
   “Five feet!”
   “I’m at the bolts!”

   Once I begin to climb, I feel like a scuba diver. The rock is alive with pancaked fungus and blackened flakes that look like leaves. Orange piecrust that looks no different from the epoxy spilling out in a halo of security around all of the bolts. I am at odds as to whether the ease of flicking the orange mold off the rock affects my faith in glue reinforcement.
   I am instituting a new style of climbing: windshield wipers of rubber with my feet. Every step slides back and forth to clear the step. Still they crinkle like the unwrapping of a present as I step on the holds. My hands are tentative with each new hold that flexes and cracks in my hand. I can no longer see the meadow below me and now must worry about who might be below us. I am in a minefield that’s more like a mine garden. I wish for a leaf blower.
   
   At the belay Dixie asks me if I noticed a specific loose rock that she had to avoid. “I left it there because it wouldn’t fit in my pocket.” When I was at that point in the climb, I had counted six different protruding rocks that were standing on a ledge, threatening to jump at any time. I had made stemming moves far above the grade of the pitch to avoid weighting them, all the while converting the distance Dixie would have been above the last bolt when making the same moves then doubling the distance, as any lead fall would require. Forty feet.
   “Good lead.”
   “It was like climbing through a pile of leaves.” She was smiling and looking at the next pitch. “It reminded me of when we used to rake leaves up back in North Carolina and jump into the pile. People used to leave piles in front of their house for the county to pick up and we would jump into those too.
“That sounds a bit more fun that this pitch was.” She crinkled her nose when she smiled
“But then they had to stop putting their leaves like that because the piles would be partly in the road and someone would put cinder blocks under the leaves. Then, if a car drove through the pile, they would hit the cinder blocks.” Now my nose crinkled. “I think I may have missed a bolt.”
     “There’s supposed to be knobs you can sling.” I thought of the various chicken heads, attached to the rock by piecrust epoxy.
     “I didn’t even think of that. I guess there were some big breadboxed sized ones that would have worked.” She had instinctively taken out a sling and was practicing girth hitching it to her fist. “The bigger the block the better, right?”
     “Solid as cinder blocks.”

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-F__AORC7caM/TxRlVAEzQGI/AAAAAAAAG_4/Uhj3STboKBA/s400/DSC01867.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ccxfGlcZ2io/TxRlWpkrR0I/AAAAAAAAHAA/j5qVczQXRTU/s400/DSC01870.JPG)
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   The last pitch goes quickly and is more fun that I felt it would be after coming through pitch three. Dixie places a red C3 into a just wide enough slot and swims up the chute. I follow into the chute via 5.5 rated moves that do not seem to take into account the disintegrating nature of the exposed but easy moves.
     Once in the tube I begin to laugh out loud and giggle to myself as I hike up what amounts to a tunnel with a convertible top. This is a convertible of a pitch, the bad stuff over, all that’s left is the floating down the highway until you turn a corner and there is the belay. I see Dixie and stop for a second. Between us is a slung knob, girth hitched and barely more than a beauty mark on the face of the chute I’m climbing. “You like my slung knob?” I take out my camera and take a picture. Dixie feigns exasperation as my giggling turns to full and loud laughter. I decide that Dixie is ready for aiding routes with crap placements.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-QEGo0nEfl2E/TxRlZOVUzzI/AAAAAAAAHAQ/FBu7UmBGv1s/s400/DSC01875.JPG)
   I reach the tree and sit down in the dirt, take off my excess gear, call off belay, point to the summit about twenty 4th class feet away. She takes me off belay and we leave the shade of the tree into the sunlight bathing the summit above.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-waDC1yQ7deg/TxRlaNLo9PI/AAAAAAAAHAY/mYN650hVTrQ/s400/DSC01877.JPG)
     We sit on the top of Machete Ridge, look across at the only other climbers on the entire West Side, a couple of the Flumes and a couple on Lava Falls. Dixie picks at a small rock poking out of the summit and holds it in her hands once it pops off without a fight into her hands.
     “This whole place is bullshit.” She still sounds like me when I'm having fun. “Why are we here instead of on granite?”
     “Anyone will climb granite.”
     “Smart people climb granite”
     “There are lots of smart people.”
     “Never thought I’d be happy to be so stupid.” She puts the rock back into the crater it came from.
      I reach for her hand and we listen to the sound of falcons somewhere on the face of the ridge. She sits in silent next to me and clicks her helmet against mine as she rests her head on my shoulder.


More pictures are found in my picasa album.
https://picasaweb.google.com/111001858119976450058/Pinnacles11412LosBanditos?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCMHPxeH4s6G_NA&feat=directlink (https://picasaweb.google.com/111001858119976450058/Pinnacles11412LosBanditos?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCMHPxeH4s6G_NA&feat=directlink)

proofread and edited with small additions made 1/19/12 9pm
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: squiddo on January 16, 2012, 04:42:58 PM
Great, love it. Love the reference to a loose hold too big for your pocket. Doesn't Brad say something in the guide about bringing a bag big enough to carry them off? :-)
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: mungeclimber on January 16, 2012, 04:47:41 PM
quick scan, and dig the feel so far.

will read the rest later

thx CD
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: F4? on January 16, 2012, 04:57:46 PM
I can add a few of my pics to the fray.

Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: Brad Young on January 16, 2012, 05:04:07 PM

She could be the perfect woman.


Yeah, she seems pretty solid. (Twenty years ago I thought this to myself. I've never regretted listening, agreeing and acting on it.)

BTW, great trip report. You ready for another route suggestion?  ;)
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: cobbledik on January 16, 2012, 07:32:30 PM
Dixie says she's ready.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: cobbledik on January 16, 2012, 07:32:56 PM
I can add a few of my pics to the fray.
Do it
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: Brad Young on January 16, 2012, 07:48:42 PM
Dixie says she's ready.

There were at least two suggestions in my post above. One was express, the other implied. Which is Dixie ready for?

Another route I'd suggest is shorter and less committing, but you've got to be on your aid game. Dennis' crazy route out by Gertie's on the East Side: Jingus.

On Jingus, getting out and left is scary. Then the up-and-right aid is crazy. I used three or four Lowe Balls in a row in a thin crack which overhung to the right. And the very next piece after them was a 4 1/2 Camalot! (He was very proud of having done this route clean on the FA.) It too ends with some run out free climbing (this was wet when I did it - it was sprinkling - and I'd suggest doing it when dry). Then there is no summit anchor, so you'll end up spitting and cursing the fact that Dennis even exists.

All in all a fun outing.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: F4? on January 16, 2012, 08:40:29 PM
A few from the FA...wish there were more..but we were cheap.

Busted! No that is no small reach.....
(http://ebratton2120.smugmug.com/Sports/PinnsRandom/Brad20Banditos202b2010-28-07/606633100_LznA2-L.jpg)

This is how you find god real quick....jumar a fixed rope in the Pinns...
(http://ebratton2120.smugmug.com/Sports/PinnsRandom/Bandits/738242245_cV6y2-L.jpg)

OW/ Chimmney pitch....if there was one on the route, it'd look like this...
(http://ebratton2120.smugmug.com/Sports/Red-Rocks-08/DSCF2321/266035650_jFhWh-M.jpg)
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: squiddo on January 16, 2012, 08:44:50 PM
Making it personal eh!
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: Brad Young on January 16, 2012, 08:52:14 PM
Here's some more shots from the FA:

Drilling as high as possible:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7009/6712543909_efa0eccf7f_z.jpg)



Here's Eric in a series, busting out the free moves above the ladder (it's funny, in the photos it doesn't look ANYWHERE near as long as it feels when you're free climbing it; there is very serious foreshortening here too):

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7026/6712585749_d5abb891c3_z.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7020/6712586761_4e58e1c99f_z.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7009/6712587575_dbb3d54903_z.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7023/6712588929_ee1f8287ba_z.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7170/6712589743_f77d2d9dd5_z.jpg)



And, yes, that's my helmet he's wearing. He forgot his that day.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: F4? on January 16, 2012, 09:01:24 PM
Why thanks there Brad. And your aiders look familiar...
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: squiddo on January 16, 2012, 09:12:24 PM
Great shots guys.

And Brad, I think E needs to borrow your helmet again.......he keeps loosing his
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: mynameismud on January 16, 2012, 10:00:13 PM
Real good series of photos.  This is a great thread.

Jingus is that 10a A0?
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: Brad Young on January 16, 2012, 10:14:26 PM

Jingus is that 10a A0?


Yeah. It's the one you insist you'll free someday. I call fat, fat chance on that.

I went back to the series of photos of Eric. Is he praying in that first shot?
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: mynameismud on January 16, 2012, 10:30:09 PM
good come back. 

looks like he is.

fat, fat chance.

I went back to the series of photos of Eric. Is he praying in that first shot?
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: F4? on January 17, 2012, 07:21:31 AM
Quote
I went back to the series of photos of Eric. Is he praying in that first shot?

Yes, then cursing Brad.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: mynameismud on January 17, 2012, 08:59:01 AM
Put it on your Calendar.  I will go for the free attempt on Saturday, February 23 2013.  At the end of the day, regardless of the outcome, I will provide beer, beverages, and munchies.

You read it here.

Yeah. It's the one you insist you'll free someday. I call fat, fat chance on that.

Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: Brad Young on January 17, 2012, 09:03:45 AM
You deliberately put that on calendar on a day that it will be raining. Nice.

(Oh, and is that the last Saturday before you turn 50?)
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: squiddo on January 17, 2012, 09:06:26 AM
Put it on your Calendar.  I will go for the free attempt on Saturday, February 23 2013.  At the end of the day, regardless of the outcome, I will provide beer, beverages, and munchies.

You read it here.


Ok now i KNOW you are training just to secretly burn us off
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: mynameismud on January 17, 2012, 09:14:32 AM
yes, the last Saturday of Feb next year.  If it is raining the first Saturday when the rock is good.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: mungeclimber on January 17, 2012, 10:40:07 AM
Is that section on Los Banditos freed?  and Freeable?


the pic makes it look possible
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: Brad Young on January 17, 2012, 10:53:47 AM
Is that section on Los Banditos freed?  and Freeable?


the pic makes it look possible

What section? The only aid on Los Banditos is the overhanging bolt ladder (eight bolts). The rock in that area doesn't look like it would ever go free. Mr Mud looked it over once he joined in on the project, and he agreed that there's not enough there to work with, some of the rock is not so good, and it's very steep (although now he'll probably insist that he can do it, which is great, he's always got a go for it, never say die attitude).

Best not to believe me though and go look for yourself   ;D
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: cobbledik on January 17, 2012, 11:19:50 AM
That space around the aid ladder bolts was less like rock and more like hovering buck shot.

---
Looks like Jingus in on our hit list now. I'm assuming is not closed for birds, can't tell because it seems like a nameless crag in the info I've found.

Is Icarus closed now?
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: mynameismud on January 17, 2012, 11:22:35 AM
Jingus is always open.  It is up above the res on the east side.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: MUCCI on January 17, 2012, 11:24:36 AM
Nice Kevin.

I had been trying to get Fabrizio out to do that route.  Great job on the 2nd ascent and quality writeup.

Way to finish up a great year of repeats at pinns man.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: Brad Young on January 17, 2012, 11:36:46 AM

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Looks like Jingus in on our hit list now. I'm assuming is not closed for birds, can't tell because it seems like a nameless crag in the info I've found.


Did you look on pages 126 and 127 of the book? Jingus is on Ridge Rock which is shown on the map. It never closes (at least it never has).
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: Brad Young on January 17, 2012, 11:38:18 AM
That space around the aid ladder bolts was less like rock and more like hovering buck shot.

Oh, and nice description.  :D
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: squiddo on January 17, 2012, 11:49:52 AM
Ha yes indeed. I've always done a compare to kitty litter. Maybe clean kitty litter but litter none the less. ADS?
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: cobbledik on January 17, 2012, 01:52:58 PM
Did you look on pages 126 and 127 of the book? Jingus is on Ridge Rock which is shown on the map. It never closes (at least it never has).
Ah got it. I was looking in the book index under J instead of R. Why does "slung knobs for protection" on a Clint Cummins route get the fear going in me?

found these quotes from Clint's trip report...
"I was horrified when I discovered that the best piece in the steep section as a Lowe Ball."
"There was no anchor on top, so he just got a good sitting belay position."

Dixie's going to kill me. That is, if I don't get to it first.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: squiddo on January 17, 2012, 01:58:22 PM

found these quotes from Clint's trip report...
"I was horrified when I discovered that the best piece in the steep section as a Lowe Ball."
 

Lowe Balls in granite can horrify let alone kitty litter. I've taken a whip on 'em before but again, solid stone. yikes!
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: Brad Young on January 17, 2012, 04:02:41 PM
It's a scary route, Dennis did a masterful job on the FA. But when I did it, I put my full, fat body weight on several Lowe Balls in a row and they held.

And, here's the key for the "top" anchor. One option is to sit and use body position as Dennis and Clint did. I wasn't wiling to do that though. Instead, once I topped out and was comfortable on top, I told my belayer that I was off belay. I sat down, untied and then pulled up most of the slack. Next I had my belayer go around to the other side of the rock, I threw the extra slack to him and had him tie into the rope (same tie in as if he was leading). Now, with him as my anchor, I had him sit. I then cleaned the route myself by rappelling off the other side from where he was sitting (that is, I rappelled a single strand of rope directly over the route I had just climbed). I suppose I could have had my belayer tie the rope to a tree too, but it was quicker and easier to just use him as an anchor.

Another alternative would be for the leader to finish Jingus and then down climb the Ridge Rock 5.3 route, and, once on the ground on the opposite side of the rock from the route, sit and anchor the second as they clean the route by jumaring.

The key to these alternatives it to carefully think through the forces and directions of pull on the rope and on the "human anchor." It's not hard to safely clean the route, the method used is just not "orthodox."
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: squiddo on January 17, 2012, 04:04:03 PM
Nice explanation Brad
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: mynameismud on January 17, 2012, 05:15:14 PM
Brad,

That just is not right.  The sit belay anchor is part of the route.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: cobbledik on January 17, 2012, 06:45:59 PM
The sit belay anchor gives me the willies because I can't see how to perform a belay escape. I guess most single pitch issues are just lower to the ground problem solving but I don't like feeling helpless should something unforeseen happen.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: Brad Young on January 17, 2012, 07:39:04 PM

Brad,

That just is not right.  The sit belay anchor is part of the route.


No, it isn't. The sport is climbing, not sitting and not climbsitting. You start at the bottom, you climb to the top, you get to use the orange highlighter. It's all very simple. Climbing.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: Brad Young on January 17, 2012, 07:42:13 PM

The sit belay anchor gives me the willies because I can't see how to perform a belay escape.


Kevin, you've got to understand that Dennis is as tough as he is stubborn. Once he's able to get back on the forum he'll post his tough-as-hell solution, which really is an elegant, simple and effective way to make an emergency escape from the belay.

Cut the rope.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: squiddo on January 17, 2012, 07:58:24 PM
Brad- you are on a roll today. Orange highlighter. Classic
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: F4? on January 17, 2012, 08:13:54 PM
What about the yellow highlighted?

Yeah, sit belay anchors are pretty typical outside of bear gulch....I guess when bolts were hard to come by and later climbers were too cheap. Think eiger sanction... ;D
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: mynameismud on January 17, 2012, 08:46:10 PM
ppphhhhtttt.  It is a climb, climb to the top, sit down, belay your partner, enjoy the view, shake hands, no need to escape just walk off together.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: cobbledik on January 17, 2012, 10:20:53 PM
I have learned that the crux of the route is sometimes Dixie. There are always workarounds and methods of doing things that I'll employ when solo or with a platonic partner that I won't do with Dixie. I'm too close emotionally I guess. My concern about a belay escape has nothing to do with me and everything to do with knowing that if something unforeseen was to happen, I could be counted on to self-rescue and generally keep her in some sort of acceptable managed risk.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: squiddo on January 17, 2012, 10:50:42 PM
Interesting point. Climbing with a loved one does change perspective.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: mynameismud on January 18, 2012, 07:58:20 AM
Kevin, my answer was more for Brad.  I understand where your coming from.  Not sure the route is worth doing but I look forward to reading the write up.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: cobbledik on January 18, 2012, 08:11:12 AM
We'll let you guys know when we head out to it.

Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: Brad Young on January 19, 2012, 06:52:16 PM
I re-read Kevin's report for the photos and for fun.

I want to make one point about "kitty litter" that is critical: yes, the rock around the aid bolt ladder is generally of poor quality. But all the aid bolts are long, 3/8" and every one of them is in good rock. Each one would hold a serious fall.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: cobbledik on January 19, 2012, 08:30:56 PM
I definitely agree. Not a single bolt on the ladder seemed anything but bombertrucktruckbomber.

My girlfriend was quick to point out the failed bolt hole at the first pitch anchors. "What happened to this bolt?" she asked. I reached out and plucked a random thumb-sized rock out of the wall with little resistance on the part of the rock or its mud-caked home. I answered her by shrugging my shoulders and tossing the rock to the meadow below.

Unfortunately part of my writing style is to go gonzo when I can and questioning the security of secure things (such as the above writing or the part of the TR comparing the orange of the glue around the bolts to the flaking mold/moss/lichen/whatever-it-is) is done more for artistic representation of the speaker's questioning mental state than as a practical evaluation of the safety of the bolts.

I'm still playing about with how much symbolism and fantasy I can imbue a trip report with while still holding practical truth up at the some time. I'm a huge fan of Mailer and HS Thompson and so it's an interesting place to find myself between practical tangible truth and symbolic fantastical truths.

Wait till you see the premeditated TR, That behemoth is getting out of control.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: kylequeener on January 24, 2012, 02:01:24 PM
Nice TR. I hadn't heard of anyone doing it yet.

My g/f and I got on this route not too long after it was completed. Dandy little bolt ladder. Did it with no fifi or biners, made the long reaches harder. Interesting exit moves from the aiders. No matter how hard you can crush it's still a heart rate elevating 5.9 section.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: cobbledik on January 24, 2012, 03:24:25 PM
My g/f and I got on this route not too long after it was completed.

So was the orange redirect biner yours or the FA's? I had assumed it was from the FA since we weren't aware of anyone else jumping on the route between us and the FA. I left it behind for that reason. Oh well, could have had some early ascent booty.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: Brad Young on January 24, 2012, 03:31:17 PM
I don't think we left anything, although Bratton was the last of our party at that belay station.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: cobbledik on January 24, 2012, 03:55:31 PM
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Oj_oEt9zIYA/TxRlH0IWyyI/AAAAAAAAG-0/oIytiVxLUbc/s400/DSC01843.JPG)

Thought it was FA gear because of its perfect color matching to the rock.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: Brad Young on January 24, 2012, 04:41:53 PM
Bratton can chime in about whether he left the 'biner.

Meanwhile, it looks like you were climbing on my old rope!  :o
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: cobbledik on January 24, 2012, 06:07:44 PM
Good ole cheapo Maxim that I picked up in South Lake when I took some friends to Lover's Leap and we forgot a third rope for our choochoo train up haystack this summer.

I had that rope and a 70m 9.4 in the car. I have trouble ever choosing the skinny rope anymore.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: kylequeener on January 24, 2012, 07:31:13 PM
That would be my carabiner. Fuzzy memory about what happened exactly when I left the belay, but it came down to my g/f trying to jug for the first time ever and the slight traverse in the line gave her trouble while passing the pieces. Unable to get visuals or good communication to coach her through she transitioned to a rappel and I went and cleaned it leaving that directional piece. After doing that approach aid pitch I never really felt like getting back on it. Good to know that piece is still up there. I feel like going back up there and cleaning it. I hate leaving trash on routes. Will have to wait to do that, of course.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: F4? on January 24, 2012, 08:21:01 PM
homie don't leave gear.

Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: cobbledik on January 24, 2012, 08:40:56 PM
Fuzzy memory about what happened exactly when I left the belay, but it came down to my g/f trying to jug for the first time ever and the slight traverse in the line gave her trouble while passing the pieces. Unable to get visuals or good communication to coach her through she transitioned to a rappel and I went and cleaned it leaving that directional piece.

huh? I is confused. Did you only do the first pitch?
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: mynameismud on January 24, 2012, 11:11:44 PM
booty
:)
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: kylequeener on January 25, 2012, 09:43:04 AM
huh? I is confused. Did you only do the first pitch?

Yeah. Probably my first route that required using aiders. I had done Machete Direct but free climbed the 1st pitch and french freed the 2nd bolt ladder. We had little idea of what we were doing on Los Banditos and totally bonked. I'm pretty confident we would cruise that today, as we've done with several of the other Machete mud bolt ladders since. Now I definitely find every way possible not to leave booty for anyone, especially anyone who lurks ST or M&C. I had a habit of leaving biners back in the ignorant radster sport climber days of last year   >:D
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: cobbledik on January 25, 2012, 11:24:54 AM
Did you use it to retreat off of?
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: F4? on January 25, 2012, 02:42:30 PM
Speaking of finding gear on a route and the prior owner...

Over the past few years Jake and I have been on 2x not too popular routes. Low and behold we've come accross a bail biner...Oddly, this gear looks really, really familiar...as I had seen this gear before...on Mr. Mud's rack.

The grin he gave when I gave it back was priceless. Due to there's always a good story behind it.

So if you find bail gear (that's not painted brown-Brad's), check with Mr Mud.

Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: kylequeener on January 25, 2012, 09:36:22 PM
I doubt I used it as the only piece, I probably used it as a directional. I can't remember. The drugs do a good job seeing that happens for me.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: cobbledik on January 26, 2012, 07:42:07 AM
I doubt I used it as the only piece, I probably used it as a directional. I can't remember.

I'm still confused, the anchor bolts have a chain and a ring and are a couple fourth class steps to the right of the redirect bolt. I can't imagine the scenario where the biner could be used for a retreat there.

That's most of the reason that I left it. It seemed like a smart move to leave a camo'd biner on the bolt that would be invisible from the ground but obvious when you come over the bulge. Then, people freaked out from the 5.9++rxxx moves will be less likely to miss it (since belaying from the bolts without the redirect would make a fall for the second at those free moves very swingy and very cheesegratery... I don't think that's a real word.)
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: mynameismud on January 26, 2012, 09:42:12 AM
"++RXXX "

I am officially excited about this route.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: F4? on January 26, 2012, 11:05:24 AM
Hmm, but there are 2x other routes with heady 5.9 cruxes..lava falls and Son of Dawn wall.

Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: cobbledik on January 26, 2012, 01:10:03 PM
Hmm, but there are 2x other routes with heady 5.9 cruxes..lava falls and Son of Dawn wall.

Yeah, but this one is 3x, the extra X for this route is for the extra sexy
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: F4? on January 26, 2012, 02:12:38 PM
And then there's the 1st pitch of Resurrection wall.
Title: Re: Trip Report - Los Banditos - Machete Ridge - Pinnacles West Side
Post by: kylequeener on January 27, 2012, 10:19:42 PM
I'm still confused, the anchor bolts have a chain and a ring and are a couple fourth class steps to the right of the redirect bolt. I can't imagine the scenario where the biner could be used for a retreat there.



Remembering the few steps right to the belay now and looking at the topo it was probably used as a directional piece so I could clean the pitch easier.