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Climbing and ... Climbing => Masters of Mud -- Pinnacles => Topic started by: CruxLuv on July 31, 2012, 07:26:12 PM
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"A bill to upgrade the status of Pinnacles National Monument cleared the U.S House of Representatives on Tuesday.
Co-sponsored by Rep. Sam Farr, D-Carmel, the bill would convert Pinnacles' 26,000 acres to a national park. Backers hope the move raises Pinnacles' profile and increases the number of visitors. The bipartisan bill is also sponsored by Rep. Jeff Denham, R-Turlock.
Part of an ancient volcano, the monument is home to tall rock formations, caves and a variety of wildlife, including 30 endangered California condors."
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Interesting. I thought Monuments had stricter regulations than National Parks.
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shit
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I was wondering why someone hadn't already brought this up - maybe you were all too depressed thinking about how no good is likely to come from it.
I don't think a change in name is going to make any difference in visitors.
Sam Farr? - well I have nothing good to say about that entrenched SOB.
Meanwhile they are closing our State Parks and I heard the other day Brown is proposing an underground waterway to connect LA with the Delta at a cost of 26 billion. Can't wait to hear where that $$ is going to come from.
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So what's the difference?
Monument vs nat park?
Bigger crappers? Wilderness permits? More tour buses? Are there ever tour buses?
It will still be our beloved pile of choss.
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I do not know but know, but I would think that NP are more open to development. An interesting change. How does it affect the new visitor center? Who know perhaps no changes.
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Maybe a yurt system??
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Bruce H. has put in an inquiry to the park staff to see how this impacts the system.
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Ive already submitted my request with the Superintendent to prohibit Rap Bolting. My argument is for historical and cultural protection under the Antiquities Act.
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Lol
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I want a Yurt system.
And a camp on top of Chalone.
That would be a great spot to bivy.
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Sand beach and diving board at the res
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not to spoil the party but be careful what you all wish for.
probably not to worry since the senate is too busy arguing over meaningless shite to get this thing passed.
supposedly Farr has been trying since '94. there is a decent article in the SF Chrionicle - much more informative than other pieces i've seen so far.
http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Pinnacles-monument-closer-to-park-status-3751450.php (http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Pinnacles-monument-closer-to-park-status-3751450.php)
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I've stayed on top of Chalone. Don't tell anybody.
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stayed on top of Chalone. Don't tell anybody.
If I believe everything written on the internet, I'd have mush for a brain. So I think we can safely look at this post with skepticism and not view it as confession of a crime whose statute of limitations has passed. ;)
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I believe everything written on the internet
You are a wise man, keep believing.
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Where is Gavin on this topic?
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Yeah, where is Gavin?
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Considering how hot Pinnacles must have been during last week's heat wave, he might be shriveled up in some corner somewhere. Or he got smart and left for the coast, or the mountains, or anywhere that wasn't Death Valley hot.
Poor guy.
And speaking of people in this thread, where is Cruxluv and how's she feeing?
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I'm here, I'm here, I'm heeeere! (said in my best Whovillite voice)
The butt is nearly 100% now. I won't make that mistake again! (Surely I have a much grander mistake in store.)
Haven't been doing much climbing. Not even at the gym. Tsk tsk. Miss it muchly too.
Ramping up for our cycling trip thru Portugal and Spain next month. Woohoo!!
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Nice.
Ramping up for our cycling trip thru Portugal and Spain next month. Woohoo!!
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Yeah, Crux, glad you're feeling better. Enjoy Iberia (and come back ready to climb?).
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Hey gang, I'm around, just busy with wildlife work.
In regards to Pinnacles becoming a park: officially as a federal employee I'm not supposed to have a position on the issue one way or another, especially since nothing is set in stone at this point.
Unofficially as a public citizen and a climber, I think it is likely that Pinnacles will shift from a national monument to a national park, possibly by the end of the year. The legislation has stalled a bit in the Senate after passing through the House, but it sounds like this is due to other political maneuverings / deals and not the legislation itself, so the legislation will quite likely pass before the end of the year.
In terms of regulations and such, there is no inherent difference between National Parks and National Monuments; they both manage federal land in the same way. National Parks are created by an act of Congress, versus National Monuments which are created by an executive order from the President. For Pinnacles, there shouldn't be any resulting permitting or regulation changes if it is made into a National Park.
That said, most folks I work with aren't thrilled about the NP idea for Pinnacles. It will likely mean more visitors without an increase in resources / budget here to deal with the increased visitor presence and impacts (in other words, the resources will likely get more hammered). However, park staff don't really have any say in what Congress decides to do with the legislation, so we'll have to wait and see.
On the national level (and unrelated to the Pinnacles legislation), there will likely be new guidance on park wilderness in the near future, and what is allowed within the designated wilderness at Pinnacles (which comprises most of the park property), but again, staff and management actually working at Pinnacles aren't the folks making those decisions, so we'll have to wait and see what comes out of that process as well.
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thx G.
What kind of "guidance"? climbing impactful (not just at pinns)?
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From what I understand (which isn't a lot at the moment), wilderness regulations and recreational use within federally-designated wilderness are currently under review at the national level. So yes, there may be impacts in terms of placing new bolts, etc. within designated wilderness on federal lands in general. However, I don't have any certain details, as the regulations haven't been finalized, so we'll have to wait until there is more concrete information.
thx G.
What kind of "guidance"? climbing impactful (not just at pinns)?