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Title: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: mungeclimber on October 22, 2019, 11:59:09 AM: Got this pic from Brian Bermingham...

The climber is Dick Ellsworth. 1973.

What route is it?

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48943398331_779a4a256d_z.jpg)

The original photo may have been in color.
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: clink on October 22, 2019, 01:21:14 PM: Bushy's Battle of the Bulge?
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: mungeclimber on October 22, 2019, 02:02:40 PM: The idea that it was Crumbling Castle was floated. I had my doubts about that.
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: JC w KC redux on October 22, 2019, 02:43:51 PM: Quote from: mungeclimber on October 22, 2019, 02:02:40 PM
The idea that it was Crumbling Castle was floated. I had my doubts about that.

Doesn't look anything like Crumbling Castle.
Does not look familiar although I haven't done that many old routes.
Can't think of anything that gains a pedestal and then continues up a jelly roll gumdrop.
Looks like a pretty good drop below and it looks like a big formation from the wall in the background...on a slope...
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: mungeclimber on October 22, 2019, 04:36:39 PM: Ok, I had money on JC being able to ID it for us.

Where's Brad?

Here's another pic of the same line with more rock showing...

(http://www.supertopo.com/photos/27/48/396335_12681_L.jpg)
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: Brad Young on October 22, 2019, 04:47:21 PM: I've been busy with work and now with a topo.

Lemme look at it, although if John can't get it, I won't likely be able to either.
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: Brad Young on October 22, 2019, 04:53:07 PM: First guess is Hatchet.

EDIT:

But the rope is coming up from the "wrong" side for Hatchet. And the background hillside seems just a little too steep.
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: mungeclimber on October 22, 2019, 04:59:55 PM: oooh, good guess! I can see that. But you're right, the rope needs to be on the left side of the pic.

1973, moderate, from a guidebook at the time, is what I would start limiting by.
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: JC w KC redux on October 22, 2019, 05:34:33 PM: Something that traverses in to a pedestal. Only thing I can think of like that is Condor Crag and that is definitely not right.
I just paged through Richards guide and still clueless.
Do you know the answer?
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: Brad Young on October 22, 2019, 05:36:55 PM: Quote from: JC w KC redux on October 22, 2019, 05:34:33 PM

... like that is Condor Crag and that is definitely not right.

Agreed - the background shouldn't be so high if it is anywhere on the crest of the High Peaks.

I'm not coming up with anything else.
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: JC w KC redux on October 22, 2019, 06:08:41 PM: I think Rob is punking us :yesnod: :rolleyes: :lol:
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: clink on October 22, 2019, 06:31:01 PM: The shoes are Canyons, comfortable.
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: JC w KC redux on October 22, 2019, 06:48:37 PM: I think it is The Snail 5.7R :ihih:
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: JC w KC redux on October 22, 2019, 06:57:08 PM: Quote from: JC w KC redux on October 22, 2019, 06:48:37 PM
I think it is The Snail 5.7R :ihih:

I just looked at some of my pics of The Snail and I can see the lodestone on the pedestal and on the right of the arete.
I am POSITIVE that it's The Snail.
What do I win? :confused: :crazy: :prrr:
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: Brad Young on October 22, 2019, 07:01:30 PM: Quote from: JC w KC redux on October 22, 2019, 06:48:37 PM

I think it is The Snail 5.7R :ihih:

Yes, that's it.

Funny, the hillside across the way reminded me of that behind The Hand, but I didn't think of anything not on The Hand.
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: NOAL on October 22, 2019, 07:07:05 PM: Yep. That's why he's looking up and contemplating the R stuff.
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: JC w KC redux on October 22, 2019, 07:09:10 PM: You can see the prominent squarish lodestone on the pedestal in this pic (same as first old pic)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48945283626_3f3be5110d_z.jpg)

Here you can see the lightish patch just above the bulge, a lodestone on the right side of the arete (same as both old pics) and that big divot on the right ((same as second old pic).
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48945476922_cfab0f3c83_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: JC w KC redux on October 22, 2019, 07:13:17 PM: Quote from: NOAL on October 22, 2019, 07:07:05 PM
Yep. That's why he's looking up and contemplating the R stuff.

The GULP moment. :yikes:
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: mungeclimber on October 22, 2019, 08:39:03 PM: Oh well done! I believe you’re right.

I did not know and neither did Brian. Hopefully he’ll see this. I gave him the link to the thread.
Title: Re: Help identify route from a historical photo
Post by: waldo on October 22, 2019, 08:40:23 PM: You've got it, JC. I got out Roper and Richards to bring tomorrow in hopes that we could discuss this, but the old boys are no longer needed.