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Climbing and ... Climbing => Masters of Mud -- Pinnacles => Topic started by: climberdude on March 21, 2020, 07:26:41 AM
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Please do whatever you can to avoid unnecessarily needing to utilize medical care during this virus outbreak. Medical care workers have been telling us this, but I thought I would evaluate some statistics for my area, Fresno County.
Current testing in my county has found a 2-3% positive testing rate. The good news is that the health officials feel that the virus is not spreading. The bad news is that if this same positive rate applies to the general population, it almost 20 times the number of available hospital beds, assuming worst case situations. It gets even worst if you have to evaluate this when you consider infected people needing ventilators. This is an example for my county, but if you evaluated it for your area, it will likely be similar.
If you know someone who is an emergency healthcare worker, please offer moral support to them. If you somehow have a stash of sterile medical supplies, consider donating them to your local hospital. Please be very thankful that we have a very proactive state government. Please listen to them. Stay positive. Studies have shown that those who stay positive have better outcomes in crises.
I am sorry if this seems like unsolicited beta.
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I was told the elephant in the room was that not enough testing has been done.
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Thank you for this information.
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The good news is that the health officials feel that the virus is not spreading.
This seems highly unlikely (note my comment is about the above quote I listed)
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Yes, that was the county health officials' words, not my conclusion.
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I was told the elephant in the room was that not enough testing has been done.
This was from my brother-in law on Sunday.....but I just read an article that the shift is if you have show having a mild case, don't get tested. Rather the testing is for the folks showing more at risk.
Crazy to think they are at that point.
It makes sense since you don't want to over-load the testing system.
But it highlights the US lack of preparedness...OR the reality that it's not possible.
Isolation is the best course. I have not even gone next door for a few beers.
Yes these are trying times when a man has to pass on free beer.
Back to re-painting in the house.
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How many of you listened to the full live address that Gavin Newsome gave on Thursday evening? I did.
EDIT:
Here it is in case you didn't. It might be a little different than what concerned citizens are telling you.
I lived in NYC and experienced 911 first hand.There was a massive amount of word of mouth disinformation which caused panic and disorder.
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How many of you listened to the full live address that Gavin Newsome gave on Thursday evening? I did.
I didn't, but like his sexy voice. Who's is better Gavin or Bill?
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What kind of jokes is the Center for Disease Control recommending during the Corona outbreak?
Inside jokes....
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What kind of jokes is the Center for Disease Control recommending during the Corona outbreak?
Inside jokes....
Hey Mud - can you add an audible groan to this emoji ::)
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I think the GOV did a good job laying it down.
He didn't even ask for a HaRUmPH from his cabinet.
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Part of the show goes on.
“Essential Critical Infrastructure Workers”
It is official, residential home construction is essential;
OTHER COMMUNITY-BASED GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS AND
ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS
Essential Workforce
• Critical government workers, as defined by the employer and consistent with Continuity of
Operations Plans and Continuity of Government plans.
• County workers responsible for determining eligibility for safety net benefits
• The Courts, consistent with guidance released by the California Chief Justice
• Workers to ensure continuity of building functions
• Security staff to maintain building access control and physical security measures
• Elections personnel
• Federal, State, and Local, Tribal, and Territorial employees who support Mission Essential Functions
and communications networks
• Trade Officials (FTA negotiators; international data flow administrators)
• Weather forecasters
• Workers that maintain digital systems infrastructure supporting other critical government
operations
• Workers at operations centers necessary to maintain other essential functions
• Workers who support necessary credentialing, vetting and licensing operations for transportation
workers
• Workers who are critical to facilitating trade in support of the national, state, and local emergency
response supply chain
• Workers supporting public and private childcare establishments, pre-K establishments, K-12 schools,
colleges, and universities for purposes of distance learning, provision of school meals, or care and
supervision of minors to support essential workforce across all sectors
March 20, 2020
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• Workers and instructors supporting academies and training facilities and courses for the purpose of
graduating students and cadets that comprise the essential workforce for all identified critical
sectors
• Hotel Workers where hotels are used for COVID-19 mitigation and containment measures, including
measures to protect homeless populations.
• Construction Workers who support the construction, operation, inspection, and maintenance of
construction sites and construction projects (including housing construction)
• Workers such as plumbers, electricians, exterminators, and other service providers who provide
services that are necessary to maintaining the safety, sanitation, and essential operation of
construction sites and construction projects (including those that support such projects to ensure
the availability of needed facilities, transportation, energy and communications; and support to
ensure the effective removal, storage, and disposal of solid waste and hazardous waste)
• Commercial Retail Stores, that supply essential sectors, including convenience stores, pet supply
stores, auto supplies and repair, hardware and home improvement, and home appliance retailers
• Workers supporting the entertainment industries, studios, and other related establishments,
provided they follow covid-19 public health guidance around social distancing.
• Workers critical to operating Rental Car companies that facilitate continuity of operations for
essential workforces, and other essential travel
• Workers that provide or determine eligibility for food, shelter, in-home supportive services, child
welfare, adult protective services and social services, and other necessities of life for economically
disadvantaged or otherwise needy individuals (including family members)
• Professional services, such as legal or accounting services, when necessary to assist in compliance
with legally mandated activities and critical sector services
• Faith based services that are provided through streaming or other technology
• Laundromats and laundry services
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Currently the new thought on getting tested is only test if it’s going to change the course of management for the illness. They want to save the tests for health care workers and the gravely ill. Another reason is that when getting tested the staff have to fully suit up in protective gear that is in short supply and high demand in the hospitals, and if u r positive but only exhibiting mild symptoms all their gonna do is tell u to go home, rest, fluids, self isolate...if your bored you can read my plea as a hospital RN to please stay the fuck home, over on the masters of mud rendezvous thread. How many finger tendons are going to get tweaked after we all start climbing again after all this down time?
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Don't hang out.
Hang board
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Don't hang out.
Put the mouse back in the house.(Friends fans will get it)
New rule; self isolating, self censoring...
If I compose a post and then have to think about whether or not to post it...I don't.
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Put the mouse back in the house.(Seinfeld fans will get it)
New rule; self isolating, self censoring...
If I compose a post and then have to think about whether or not to post it...I don't.
^^
Should I respond with:
1. Who are you and what have you done with J.C.?
or
2. Ahh, why start that now?
Love you. Mean it.
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Clink, yup, next is to mount the hangboard. Hate to do it since I hate to ruin my painting work.
On Monday, after stockpiling food, my last stop was to buy some weights for working out.
So far it's going well. Plus James is getting workouts in as well.
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stay at home and share the bare necessities
morganhilllife
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Gov Inslee just sent out the Stay at Home Order. They chose this instead of Shelter In Place. I guess it sounds better but it is basically the same.
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“Art has always been the raft onto which we climb to save our sanity. I don’t see a different purpose for it now.” ~ Dorothea Tanning
I've been reading more, this is my art raft some of the time and can be done at home. :)
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I was once asked why drink cold beer on a warm day...to help cool off.
Then asked why drink cold beer on a cold day....what else are you going to do!!
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I was once asked why drink cold beer on a warm day...to help cool off.
Then asked why drink cold beer on a cold day....what else are you going to do!!
Hot sake.
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Hot sake.
Perfect solution.
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Alright, I'm reviving this thread because it raises good issues. There are three related concerns, really:
1. We're all supposed to "stay in place," although there are exceptions for necessary jobs and/or recreation. The Governor's message that went with his stay-in-place order even specifically mentioned recreation (although not climbing specifically - what was he thinking!). And no matter what we are doing, we're supposed to maintain social distancing.
I don't disagree with these requirements, which to me seem somewhat like buying a new rope if/when one becomes worried about the current rope's integrity. We're trying to be cautious while facing something that is serious and might be really, really serious.
I've been doing the recreation part lately by way of long walks with dogs and rain gear.
2. Even though recreating is OK, we're also supposed to to avoid needing medial care that isn't Covid 19 related. And, as part of this, to also avoid SAR situations, so that SAR personnel aren't exposed to quarantine time and the like (this seems to be the main topic of the originating post on this thread).
This is a smart idea too, although I've seen the "don't-need-SAR" idea discussed regarding specifically "dangerous" sports.
3. Staying at home will soon drive people crazy (a shorter drive for some than for others). It's been rainy of late. And so staying at home, polishing gear, reading, sorting gear, playing games, polishing gear, and deep-cleaning the house have been OK.
But where's the balance point between all three of these issues?
It's easy to camp while maintaining social distancing (bathrooms might be an exception, but it's possible to use only the bathroom in one's van, not camp in an established campground, and/or clean bathroom surfaces before and after use). Is camping a "dangerous sport?"
What about hiking? And how about easy climbing? Both of these activities can be done while "social distancing" (rope solo, or with people one lives with). Can these be done in a way that isn't "dangerous?"
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Just use common sense and your best judgement. Notice the governor said things like go for a bike ride, get food from a drive thru, go for a walk etc. All of these things can be risky endeavors depending how you execute them.
Houses have their dangers too. A musician friend of mine a couple of years ago slipped, fell down his basement stairs, and died. So there you go.
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Just use common sense and your best judgement. Notice the governor said things like go for a bike ride, get food from a drive thru, go for a walk etc. All of these things can be risky endeavors depending how you execute them.
Thanks. I'd left my thoughts out on purpose for now. But you've made it really easy for me to state them: The part of your post quoted above mirrors my thoughts exactly.
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Houses have their dangers too. A musician friend of mine a couple of years ago slipped, fell down his basement stairs, and died. So there you go.
Regarding this second part of your post: Yes, just living can be dangerous.
My equivalent story is regarding a friend who shared our last name (we joked about being "cousins"). His wife taught at the high school.
He was home alone one day doing house maintenance. He somehow fell and landed on his neck, over a deck joist. He died instantly (which, looked at with a sense of humor all these years later, at least would not have burdened SAR, an ambulance and/or other health care providers).
Tuolumne County had its first positive test for Covid 19 late yesterday. A visitor from Mono County.
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Honestly, my biggest worry is to not transmit it to an innocent third party (if I'm carrying it and haven't yet found out).
So I'm being careful to avoid others. Although my office is still open - we can't just ignore our clients' legal rights and so we've kept at least a few things going. Even there, everything gets wiped down every time it is used, and all of us are working from home as much as we can.
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I agree with the common sense point for sure.
However, it seems like a slippery slope (or maybe a false equivalence?) to imply that, "well you could die in your house". What does that even mean for this current situation? Since you can die on your stairs, can you now go rock climbing, base jumping? How does that change anything?
At the end of the day we are supposed to stay inside for the time being, except for basic necessities which includes exercise.
"Exercise" is open ended enough to let all of our minds wander. Especially the more bored we all get.
For example I went surfing yesterday. I went to an unpopular spot and was the only person there. 500 yards to my left there were 30 guys all sitting right next to each other going for one wave. The place I chose to go seemed "responsible" to me. But we are all going to have a different bar for what that is....so after all this rambling I come back to.....common sense.
I'm bored. Hi everyone
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Honestly, my biggest worry is to not transmit it to an innocent third party (if I'm carrying it and haven't yet found out).
That's mine as well, and it should be! The whole point of this is to stop exactly that (or the vice versa version of that).
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"Exercise" is open ended enough to let all of our minds wander. Especially the more bored we all get.
For example I went surfing yesterday. I went to an unpopular spot and was the only person there. 500 yards to my left there were 30 guys all sitting right next to each other going for one wave. The place I chose to go seemed "responsible" to me. But we are all going to have a different bar for what that is....so after all this rambling I come back to.....common sense.
I'm bored. Hi everyone
As a climbing example, I wouldn't climb at Discovery Wall right now. But would likely feel fine climbing at a remote part of Pinnacles.
And I wouldn't likely do the types of climbing on which I'm less solid (no redpointing projects, not getting crazy, being really conservative on bolting - is that last one even a change though?).
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For example I went surfing yesterday. I went to an unpopular spot and was the only person there. 500 yards to my left there were 30 guys all sitting right next to each other going for one wave. The place I chose to go seemed "responsible" to me.
Makes me wonder how ocean water and/or ocean water mist (when you're right down on the waves on a surfboard) might or might not affect the virus?
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No one knows right now. That's why I'm trying to play it safe and surf alone.
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No one knows right now. That's why I'm trying to play it safe and surf alone.
Didn't George Thorogood do a song about that?
[Noal will have to link the song here]
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I'm bored. Hi everyone
I'm so bored sitting at home that I decided to memorize six pages of the dictionary.
I learned next to nothing.
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next to nothing
Haha ::)
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Speaking of books, did I ever tell you about my friend who claims that he “accidentally” glued himself to his autobiography?
I don’t believe him.
But that’s his story, and he’s sticking to it.
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I'm bored. Hi everyone
Yesterday I purchased a world map. What else are you going to do in these times?
When I got home, I gave Vicki a dart and said to her: "throw this and wherever it lands, I'm taking you for a holiday."
It turns out that we're going to spend three weeks behind the fridge.
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Tuolumne County had its first positive test for Covid 19 late yesterday. A visitor from Mono County.
Bummer, to bring a disease to another county, and be from a county that has a disease for a name.
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Nice yellow brick! With a bunch more you could make a road.
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Double groaner.
Please rename thread to "Thread of Groans"
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I thought folks from Mono County would be immune to most everything, if a bit crazy due to nobody wanting to kiss them.
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Yeah, yeah well y’all don’t have to live with 2x boys!!
We have been going for short hikes....which is a comedy since Lucas talks to all the folks he passes.
Yeah, lots of folks going out in crowds last weekend crazy.
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Please rename thread to "Thread of Groans"
Bred of Stones
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Silver linings - it's been thirty years since climbing partner Lincoln Hatch last put on his harness. The shelter in place order in Monterey County induced him to finally clean up his work bench. He found his climbing stuff underneath more recent projects and left three carabiners on my doorstep: a Bonatti oval, a Chouinard D and a big Chouinard reverse locker. They haven't been used in thirty years, so - like some of us - what is old is sort of new.
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...and a big Chouinard reverse locker.
I've still got two of those things... what total pieces of crap. They'll actually lock open while they're on your harness but not in use! Two different times on El Cap I had that happen and my belay device (then a figure eight) fell off! "Ting, ting, ting..." all the way down the face.
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Up here the local flying sites have been closed. Two people had events that resulted in rescues and hospital stays. Most launch sites are regulated at some level. The problem is hospitals are so overwhelmed and Ambulances taxed that adding to the mix is just not acceptable at these times. Whether you want to admit it or not climbing is a risk sport and as we all know shit can happen at the most unexpected times. I encourage everyone to have self restraint. I am still riding my bike but I am not riding any of the "fun" trails and I find myself doing more runs because it is safer. These are not normal times. The US is now #1 again (total COVID-19 cases) and not looking to slow down anytime soon.
Be safe and stay healthy.
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This is the season when north-bound PCT thru-hikers start out from the Mexican border. They're facing issues similar to what we've been discussing here. The Pacific Crest Trail Association is recommending not doing the trail this season, and getting off if you're on it. Most hikers are taking the advice. Estimates are that 100 to 200 hikers are still going for it. About 10% of the numbers that would be on the early parts of the trail in a "normal" year.
Imagine planning for months (even years) to do the trail and then this happens.
And BTW, I'm not sure I agree with the Association's advice. Yes, one has to leave the trail to get food and the like. But so do people at home. Most of the time one would be well and truly "socially distant."
Hard call.
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I've still got two of those things... what total pieces of crap. They'll actually lock open while they're on your harness but not in use! Two different times on El Cap I had that happen and my belay device (then a figure eight) fell off! "Ting, ting, ting..." all the way down the face.
Ting, ting, ting . . . I forgot to mention Lincoln gave me his Chouinard figure of 8, too. That baby is heavy enough to knock a bear senseless.
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Still it could be worse....while Jumaring on leaning you hear a crashing on the talus below
and look to see 2 water bottles have come out of you pack...and as luck would have it you needed those water bottles!!!!
But me, Jake and his brother were hard core back then and just suffered until we got back down.
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But, it could be better. Got up to the base of Sentinel on time and realized I forgot my belay device. I bit of hunting and aha, a belay device.
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I understand. Know some folks that just drove back from Texas after a failed attempt at riding across America. Perhaps next year. They were over a Month into their trip
This is the season when north-bound PCT thru-hikers start out from the Mexican border. They're facing issues similar to what we've been discussing here. The Pacific Crest Trail Association is recommending not doing the trail this season, and getting off if you're on it. Most hikers are taking the advice. Estimates are that 100 to 200 hikers are still going for it. About 10% of the numbers that would be on the early parts of the trail in a "normal" year.
Imagine planning for months (even years) to do the trail and then this happens.
And BTW, I'm not sure I agree with the Association's advice. Yes, one has to leave the trail to get food and the like. But so do people at home. Most of the time one would be well and truly "socially distant."
Hard call.
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How about a shirt talking session on Zoom?
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set it up
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Somehow appropriate. Plus I really like her riding style. The stuff about the gym is funny.
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That video proves California has better single tracks....hello??
WTF, so many trees and those rocks? How can you can fast???
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Meeting setup...since it's highly likely the MoM will be cancelled or put off.
3/29/20 @ 7pm
BYOB
https://us04web.zoom.us/j/707170715 (https://us04web.zoom.us/j/707170715)
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Yeah, right
You just have to ride like a girl.
That video proves California has better single tracks....hello??
WTF, so many trees and those rocks? How can you can fast???
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The noose is tightening as people continue to misbehave.
All state parks and beaches are closed to vehicular traffic (as of 3-29-20), along with associated camping facilities.
People are now being asked to exercise within their own neighborhoods.
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49714379441_551d6e0756_o.jpg)
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;D
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Yup, saw all the parks in portola valley were closed.
Tragic!
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Meeting setup...since it's highly likely the MoM will be cancelled or put off.
3/29/20 @ 7pm
BYOB
https://us04web.zoom.us/j/707170715 (https://us04web.zoom.us/j/707170715)
Whoops. Did you guys do a virtual hangout with clink in the tub?
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yep
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Whoops. Did you guys do a virtual hangout with clink in the tub?
Was showing them my magic bubbles trick, but accidentally dropped my phone in the tub. :(
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Whoops. Did you guys do a virtual hangout with clink in the tub?
yep
Invalid without pictures. Who took a screen shot of the call?
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If no one saw it did not happen.
Sometimes it is best not to have witnesses
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Well, I went from hero to pariah at the office today. All within 30 seconds.
I always start out there as a hero (they love me, of course).
But I got a little hurried with a sip of coffee. Half of it (it seemed) went down the wrong tube. Naturally I started coughing immediately. And kept coughing for half an hour. A dry hacking cough....
Yikes!
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Oops
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I can setup another one.
Just no Clink in the tub!!!
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I can setup another one.
Just no Clink in the tub!!!
No point if clink is not going to be blowing bubbles.
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I know technology is hard to learn.
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https://www.npr.org/series/812054919/the-coronavirus-crisis
Malaysia has the largest number of COVID-19 cases in Southeast Asia with more than 2,900 and counting. This week, Malaysia's government also had a serious public relations issue after an ill-conceived plan went online.
Don't Nag Your Husband During Lockdown, Malaysia's Government Advises Women
The ministry also advised women to refrain from being "sarcastic" if they asked for help with household chores. And it urged women working from home to dress up and wear makeup.
"(It) is extremely condescending both to women and men," Nisha Sabanayagam, a manager at the advocacy group All Women's Action Society, told Reuters. "These posters promote the concept of gender inequality and perpetuate the concept of patriarchy."
The ministry's advice to women was not the only governmental misstep as it confronted the coronavirus. The country's movement control order on March 18 specified that only the "head of the household" should leave the house to purchase necessities.
While the order did not indicate whether that person was male or female, men took it upon themselves to brave the grocery store.
It didn't work out so well for many.
Facebook posts showed male heads of households having a tough go of it in the aisles, either staring in confusion at lists in their hands or taking instruction over their cellphones from central command back home.
Technology is helping everyone, I think.
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https://www.usatoday.com/news/world/
This is what China did to beat coronavirus. Experts say America couldn't handle it
In late February, as coronavirus infections mounted in Wuhan, China, local authorities went door-to-door for health checks – forcibly isolating every resident in makeshift hospitals and temporary quarantine shelters, even separating parents from young children who displayed symptoms of COVID-19, no matter how seemingly mild.
Caretakers at the city's ubiquitous large apartment buildings were pressed into service as ad hoc security guards, monitoring the temperatures of all residents, deciding who could come in, and implementing inspections of delivered food and medicines.
We couldn't go outside under any circumstances. Not even if you have a pet," said Wang Jingjun, 27, a graduate student who returned to Wuhan from the Chinese coastal province of Guangdong, which borders Hong Kong and Macau, in mid-January to live with her elderly mother and grandparents. "Those with dogs had to play with them inside and teach them to use the bathroom in a certain spot," she said.
Outside, drones hovered above streets, yelling at people to get inside and scolding them for not wearing face masks, while elsewhere in China facial-recognition software, linked to a mandatory phone app that color-coded people based on their contagion risk, decided who could enter shopping malls, subways, cafes and other public spaces.
Science non-fiction, and a long ways from Winnie the Pooh.
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Yeah, some pretty strong tactics.
That leaves me to believe this will drag on and get worse.
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This was posted on the Pinnacles facebook page yesterday.
It would appear the party is almost over.
Your Attention Please:
Some visitors are attempting to subvert the protective measures put in place to maintain social distance and safe use of the Park during this pandemic.
Pinnacles National Park remains closed to visitors, except campers with prior reservations. The services available exist to provide respite for individuals that already live together, and RV-users to 'shelter-in-place'. This allows the park to maintain a level of visitation that is manageable under the current local, state and federal Covid-19 guidance. It is not intended to be a gathering place for friends or parties.
Please respect this closure, so that we may continue to safely serve the public in these challenging times.
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Great posts today JC.
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a couple of subjects from NASAR enews letter.
President's Message Share on FacebookTwitterShare on LinkedinE-mail article
NASAR
It’s time for a “shout out” to SAR professionals as they help other first responders and medical professionals during the COVID 19 crisis. Many SAR teams also perform community services outside of SAR duties. Many SAR personnel have medical licenses as Emergency Medical Responders or Emergency Medical Technicians and are willing to step up to aid in community events (not that there are many of those going on). There is some evidence that the “stay at home” proclamations have seen people going into the outdoors, so SAR callouts are still occurring.
For the SAR community, please be sure to decontaminate your personal and team equipment if you are involved in an operation with a patient or victim contact. There are resources on the internet that can be consulted for guidance on cleaning just about anything. Stay safe!
Thank You for what you do!
Mike
Coronavirus: Hiker Precautions Amid Limited Search And Rescue
King County officials are asking hikers to take certain precautions amid the spread of the coronavirus.
By Geoff Dempsey, Patch Staff
Mar 20, 2020 12:16 pm PT
KING COUNTY, WA — The King County Sheriff's Office is reminding hikers to follow certain hiking safety precautions. The request comes amid a spike in calls for search and rescue of lost hikers alongside limited searcher availability.
The ongoing pandemic of the new coronavirus has first responders tied up, and is also affecting the King County Search and Rescue volunteers, a release from the sheriff's office says.
"The Sheriff's Office and King County Search and Rescue want to remind everyone, if you are hiking be prepared with the 10 essentials and safe practices while outdoors."
"The number of searchers could be greatly diminished and the response time could be longer than normal for rescue if needed," the release says.
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NASAR enews/Outside magazine-Coronavirus Has Devastated the Thru-Hiking Season
http://sm1.multiview.com/t/gcH1AAhbaBPWCKCjQEHF73McHnaMS~BBL25aaaaMS~BPIL2Z~aa?m=8_u91Gt~amp;k=Vsbudqhu~25x7Tve.jht~amp;e=Im~amp;4=
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Good morning, Clink and others. I hope everyone is staying well, healthy, and home. All my Pinns climbing right now is virtual for the time being.
Many Bay Area counties have now implemented county-wide travel bans. What this means is you cannot travel outside of your county of residence except for the defined essential activities. This is a good step. If you look at the projections for California versus other states who have not taken measures or only minor measures, we will be doing much better. A few states will not be doing so well. Denial is not just a river in Africa.
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Many Bay Area counties have now implemented county-wide travel bans. What this means is you cannot travel outside of your county of residence except for the defined essential activities.
***PUTS ON GRUMPY LOCAL HAT***
Tell that to all of the silicon valley pukes coming over to Santa Cruz everyday. SVP's....doesn't quite roll off the tongue like BAP's. I have never seen the surf so crowded on a daily basis. I am amazed they haven't shut it down yet. Makes me sad.
***Takes off grumpy local hat***
Aside from the SVP's surfing it does seem that people in general are taking this more seriously now, which is really nice to see. Really looking forward / fingers crossed that we collectively ban together and come back to more normalcy in May.
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I admit that I was a little shocked when governor Newsom instituted the stay in place order. It seemed extreme then.
Comparing California to states like Florida and Louisiana? Now I'm thinking that his move was bold and brilliant.
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***PUTS ON GRUMPY LOCAL HAT***
Make a t-shirt that says Valley Go Home
Santa Clara Valley has the highest rate of spread (by far) of any of the counties near here.
California should have the county imprinted on license plates for easy visual I.D.
Kentucky plates have had the county as long as I can remember.
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I have no problem skipping that trip to Fresno or Santa Cruz. ;D
Let's have some more xenophobia!
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I have no problem skipping that trip to Fresno or Santa Cruz. ;D
Let's have some more xenophobia!
I prefer agoraphobia. :biggrin:
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**PUTS ON GRUMPY LOCAL HAT***
Tell that to all of the silicon valley pukes coming over to Santa Cruz everyday. SVP's....doesn't quite roll off the tongue like BAP's. I have never seen the surf so crowded on a daily basis. I am amazed they haven't shut it down yet. Makes me sad.
Today non locals are being cited, patrols on SC beaches, according to KCBS
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Today non locals are being cited, patrols on SC beaches, according to KCBS
Good.
It is about time.
How do they tell the non locals from the locals?
Wait...I know...they're the ones that don't have BO and aren't wearing beanies or socks with sandals right?
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:D
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How do they tell the non locals?
The non-locals look normal.
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The non-locals look normal.
Bumper stickers too.
Locals have Visualize Whirled Peas and Keep Santa Cruz Weird.
Non-locals have Mystery Spot.
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Nothing worse than self proclaimed weirdos.
We all know the weirdest people are the ones who claim to be normal. ;)
Gonna make some bumper stickers that say "Keep San Mateo Normal"
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Tell that to all of the silicon valley pukes coming over to Santa Cruz everyday. SVP's....doesn't quite roll off the tongue like BAP's....
Let's modify the phrase for now, while this weirdness is going on: E.B.A.P.
Entitled Bay Area Pukes.
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It's a long story, but here's the punchline: I once ran naked down Cliff Street, through the Boardwalk and into the water.
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Totally normal.
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Nothing worse than self proclaimed weirdos.
Well...OUCH! Bit my tongue again.
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Let's modify the phrase for now, while this weirdness is going on: E.B.A.P.
Entitled Bay Area Pukes.
Hate to burst your bubble but it's way beyond the Bay Area.
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It might go to Morgan Hill
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Hate to burst your bubble but it's way beyond the Bay Area.
Yes, "entitled" is for sure way beyond the Gray Area.
But we can narrow all those entitled masses down a bit to make Brian's life easier ::)
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A RECAP OF THE LAST THREE WEEKS:
AMERICA: Oh my god! Coronavirus! What should we do?
CALIFORNIA: Shut down your state.
AMERICA: Wait... what? Why?
CALIFORNIA: Because 40 million people live here and we did it early, and it’s working.
OHIO: Whoa... whoa... let’s not be hasty now. The president said that this whole coronavirus thing is a democratic hoax.
CALIFORNIA: He also said that windmills cause cancer. Shut down your state.
TEXAS: But the president said that we only have 15 cases and soon it'll be zero.
CALIFORNIA: The president can’t count to fifteen. Nor even spell it. Shut down your state.
NEW JERSEY: Us too?
CALIFORNIA: Yes, you guys too. Just like when Christie shut down the bridge, but it’s your whole state.
FLORIDA: But what about all these kids here on spring break?? They spend a lot of money here!
CALIFORNIA: Those kids invented the tide pod challenge. Shut down your state.
LOUISIANA: But wait let’s have Mardi Gras first. It entertains people.
CALIFORNIA: It also kills them. Shut it down.
GEORGIA: Ok well how about we keep the state open for all of our mega churches? Maybe we can all pray really hard until the coronavirus just goes away!
CALIFORNIA: Which is working like a charm for mass shootings. Jesus told us to tell you to shut down your state.
OKLAHOMA: What about the tigers?
CALIFORNIA: What about a dentist. Shut it down.
WYOMING: Hold up, maybe we should go county by county like the president said.
CALIFORNIA: Stop acting like there are counties in Wyoming. There are no counties in Wyoming. Wyoming is a county. Shut it down.
PENNSYLVANIA: But big coal.
CALIFORNIA: But big death. Shut it.
WEST VIRGINIA: But we were the last state to get coronavirus!
CALIFORNIA: And don’t make us explain to you why that was. Shut it down.
NORTH CAROLINA: But the republican national convention is coming here!
CALIFORNIA: SHUT... ok fine do what you want.
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It's a long story
Well? I would never require a Readers Digest version from you. Others....
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Haha that state back and forth was great
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Quoting Brian from the Quest for Mud thread, but moving it here because it has to do with the pandemic and granite more than it does anything at Pinns:
Honestly I would love hiking up hill both ways with a huge pack to go climbing big cracks right now!!!! No joke, that sounds wonderful. The couch is consuming me.
It has been a little desperate.
I went hiking with the dogs Tuesday (again). On the Tuolumne railroad grade (it's lower elevation, more south facing and warmer/drier). This time I finally got around to checking out those big granite bluffs that I've been looking at in the distance for years.
They'd be perfect for anyone who wants to do FAs in the following conditions:
- Low elevation and warm in the cold months;
- Not a bad drive to parking;
- A brutal cross country approach (I was afraid that my ten year old dog Charlotte was literally not going to make it on the hike out - definitely bit off more than we could chew);
- Oceans of poison oak (mostly just leafing out, and I'm largely immune to it);
- Really scruffy cliffs and slabs that might take a few routes (with lots and lots of cleaning).
I intend to leave this stuff to the next generation (or even the generation after that). On the other hand, anyone who's interested? Ask and I'll tell you how to get there ;)
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^^^
My best J.C. imitation:
HARD PASS!
;) ;) :o
Especially on the P.O.
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Hard pass
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People are staying home with time to spare. The old saying is "Idle hands are a procreative workshop". What will the surge of little devils conceived during the months of March, April and May be called? Covid Boomers or maybe Social Distancing Babies? Any suggestions? Social Distancing Babies smells of an oxymoron.
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Coronials
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Coronials
Comaroons
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Nice briham89 :)
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This dreadful pandemic requires a little story telling:
A nun walks into Mother Superior's office and plunks down into a chair. She lets out a sigh heavy with frustration. "What troubles you, Sister?" asks the Mother Superior. "I thought this was the Day you spent with your family?"
"It was," sighed the Sister. "And I went to play golf with my brother. We try to play golf as often as we can. You know I was quite a talented golfer before I devoted my life to Christ."
"I seem to recall that," the Mother Superior agreed. "So I take it your day of recreation was not Relaxing?"
"Far from it, "snorted the Sister. "In fact, I even took the Lord's name in vain today."
"Goodness, Sister!" gasped the Mother Superior, astonished. "You must tell me all about it!"
"Well, we were on the fifth tee... and this hole is a monster mother, a 540 yard Par 5, with a nasty dogleg left and a hidden green and I hit the drive of my life. I creamed it. The sweetest swing I ever made. And it's flying straight and true, right along the line I wanted... and it hits a bird in mid-flight not 100 yards off the tee."
"Oh my!" commiserated the Mother. "How unfortunate, but surely that didn't make you blaspheme, Sister!"
"No, that wasn't it," admitted Sister. "While I was still trying to fathom what had happened, this squirrel runs out of the woods, grabs my ball
and runs off down the fairway!"
"Oh, that would have made me blaspheme!" sympathized the Mother.
"But I didn't, Mother Superior!" sobbed the Sister. "And I was so proud of myself! And while I was pondering whether this was a sign from God, this hawk swoops out of the sky and grabs the squirrel and flies off, with my ball still clutched in his talons !"
"So that's when you cursed," said the Mother with a knowing smile?
"Nope, that wasn't it either," cried the Sister, anguished, "because as the hawk started to fly out of sight, the squirrel started struggling, and the hawk dropped him right there on the green, and the ball popped out of his paws and rolled to about 18 inches from the cup!"
Mother Superior sat back in her chair, folded her arms across her chest, fixed the Sister with a baleful stare and said: “Don’t tell me you missed the fucking putt!”
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A fifteen year old Amish boy and his father took an outing to a shopping mall. They were amazed by almost everything they saw, but especially by two shiny, silver walls that could move apart and then slide back together again. The boy asked, 'What is this Father?'
The father responded, 'Son,I have never seen anything like this in my life, I don't know what it is.'
While the boy and his father were watching with amazement, a fat old lady in a motorized cart moved up to the moving walls and pressed a button. The walls opened, and the lady rolled between them into a small room. The walls closed and the boy and his father watched the small numbers above the walls light up sequentially. They continued to watch until it reached the last number and then the numbers began to light in the reverse order. The doors opened and a young blonde stepped out. The father, not taking his eyes off the young woman, said quietly to his son: "Go get your Mother."
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The Catholic Church uses a council of cardinals to elect its Popes. The cardinals meet at the Vatican and deliberate privately until they’ve made an election.
During the last election, while the cardinals were deliberating, a church page boy threw the conference room door open and ran in, out of breath.
The senior cardinal turned to the page boy in surprise. “My son,” he said, “you’ve interrupted a very solemn meeting. Why?”
The page boy, still out of breath, said: “Your holiness, your holiness, I come with good news and bad news.”
“Well, the cardinal says, you’ve already interrupted us, so you might as well tell us the good news.”
“Your holiness, your holiness, the good news is that Jesus Christ has returned to earth!”
“Oh my, that is fantastic,” said the cardinal. “With news like that what could possibly be bad?”
Your holiness, your holiness… he’s in Salt Lake City.”
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Well, jokes aside, I have been slowly brainwashing my 2x boys...taking them out hiking.
Lucas says yesterday, "how about a new trail?"
So, I knew just the trail to explore. As one dirves up Stevens Canyon road, on the left is a trail some ways up the canyon. We set off, hiking up it, but after 100ft its a dirt road, not bad, not bad. We get to the top of the ridge. From here I know the trail HAS to meet up with Mt Eden Road. So downhill we go. All the way I tell the boys, save bit as we will have to re-hike the downhills.
Not far down we get to a rock, WTF?? I thought I knew of every bit of rock in the area, but nope here is this limestone painted rock there on the ridge. And the rock is bullet hard, I mean hard! I down climb a bit to see, how long the face is. 40ft (?) maybe. I can't get all the way down due to the threat of PO, but enough to see the bottom is under-cut, damn! So we might go back with some gear.
-WHO can lend me their drill? I got some work to do!
Now the devious part of me steers the boys farther down the hill, well because we will hit MT Eden road really soon. But I made us take a left (lefts are always better than rights), so now we are parallel with Mt. Eden road.
After a bit we hit the bottom, and the parking area @ Stevens Canyon.
I tell the boys WOW, just think the car is only 1/2 mile up THAT road, but we have to hike 1.5 to get back to the car.
The promise of a Slurpee is enough to cajole Lucas to start back up the trail to the top of the ridge.
Not to long we get back to the car. Not bad, 4miles and 1,500ft of elevation each way.
2x Medium Slurpees later and all is well. I got a work out in, boys HAD to exercise.
1 more step to getting them to backpacking in the Sierra(s) this summer.
Here is the kicker, Lucas likes to complain, I mean he never stops. I got a response from my step mom, per my dad..." dad says you used to ALWAYS complain".
DAMN, payback hurts!!!
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The latest virus transmission slogan from the FDA...Groceries don't kill people - People kill people
Some dude made a good observation while I was riding past on my unicycle a few days ago.
He said that the uni is the ultimate social distancing tool.
Looks like another overcast, cool day.
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Ha!
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Curiosity
What's the meaning of the phrase 'Curiosity killed the cat'?
Inquisitiveness can lead one into dangerous situations.
What's the origin of the phrase 'Curiosity killed the cat'?
Everyone knows that, despite its supposed nine lives, curiosity killed the cat. Well, not quite. The 'killed the cat' proverb originated as 'care killed the cat'. By 'care' the coiner of the expression meant 'worry/sorrow' rather than our more usual contemporary 'look after/provide for' meaning.
That form of the expression is first recorded in the English playwright Ben Jonson's play Every Man in His Humour, 1598:
"Helter skelter, hang sorrow, care'll kill a Cat, up-tails all, and a Louse for the Hangman."
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WTF Klink are you some kind of philosopher?
I am still laughing at John's latest heckle on his Uni.....them SC folk are creative.
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WTF Klink are you some kind of philosopher?
Yep, Socratease.
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Yep, Socratease.
Sockratease - picture clink in only his socks on his way to the tub :lol: :puke:
This disturbing image brought to you by clinkin Quarantino
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Close, just without the socks on, picture a clean pair in my hand so I can walk back to the bed after my bath and have perfectly clean feet as I slide into the fresh sheets. Makes me tingle all over thinking about it.
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I was googling the percentage of corona virus deaths per percentage of population(not per confirmed cases, which is what kept coming up in the searches) to get perspective on the death rate as we have little general population testing to date. I came across this article in The Hill that had numbers per population as of April 16. I hadn't heard of The Hill.
What is valid in this, relating to The Statistics? There are a lot of opinions, perspectives and unknowns right now. Please comment.
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/493370-keeping-the-coronavirus-death-toll-in-perspective
Keeping the coronavirus death toll in perspective
BY HEATHER MAC DONALD, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 04/18/20 08:00 AM EDT 2,103THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL
As governors and mayors debate when to lift their coronavirus stay-at-home orders, public health experts predict a flood of deaths should businesses be allowed to reopen before universal testing or a vaccine for the disease is available. These are the same experts whose previous apocalyptic models of coronavirus fatalities and shortages of hospital beds and ventilators have proved wildly inaccurate. It may be useful to look at some numbers for perspective.
As of 3 p.m. Eastern on April 16, there were 30,920 coronavirus deaths in the U.S. New York state accounted for 14,198 — or 46 percent — of those deaths. New York City accounted for 11,477 of New York state’s deaths and 37 percent of national deaths. This week, New York City started counting deaths as coronavirus fatalities if the patient had not been tested for the disease but was suspected postmortem of having it. This relaxed standard increased the U.S. death count by 17 percent. Other jurisdictions will inevitably follow suit.
The national coronavirus deaths represent a death rate of 9.4 per 100,000 of the U.S. population. Take out the New York fatalities and the New York share of the national population, and the coronavirus death rate for the rest of the country is 5.4 per 100,000 of the U.S. population.
In 2018, there were 2.8 million deaths in the U.S. from all causes. That is a death rate of 723.6 per 100,000, 77 times the national coronavirus death rate. The death rate for heart disease in 2018 was 163.6 per 100,000, or 17.4 times the national coronavirus death rate. (There were 647,457 heart disease deaths in 2017, the last year for which such numbers are available.) The influential Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation model is now predicting 68,841 U.S. coronavirus deaths by August. Even if this latest estimate is accurate for once, that would make for a death rate of about 21 per 100,000, comparable to the 21.4 per 100,000 death rate for diabetes in 2018.
The year 2018 saw 708,000 deaths every three months. We are destroying tens of millions of people’s livelihoods for 30,000 deaths over three months, a number that will barely move the needle on the all-cause death count. The loss of each of those 30,000 victims is heartbreaking to their families and acquaintances, especially when the victim dies in isolation.
But the damage being wrought by the economic shutdown is also heartbreaking and is also a public health issue. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) announced on April 15 that New York would decide which businesses could reopen based on how “essential” they were. To its employees, every business is essential. The judgement of necessity is either arbitrary or political, as the forced closure of abortion clinics in several states demonstrates.
Many of the 22 million workers who have been laid off recently (more than a tenth of the workforce) now have no way to pay their bills and are becoming desperate. There were more than 67,000 drug overdose deaths in 2018; these so-called deaths of despair will very likely increase this year.
Up to a third of small businesses may never reopen. The effects of the shutdown are cascading through every aspect of society in ways too complex to fully comprehend. Supply chains have been thrown into chaos by the mandated closures. Planning future production is almost impossible with consumer and business demand so unpredictable. Manufacturing output has seen the largest decline in more than 70 years. Less developed countries that depend on exporting their raw materials face civil unrest if their populations remain unemployed. Poverty is the greatest cause of death worldwide. The coronavirus panic will stunt the lives of millions of children across the globe.
To be concerned about the effects of the global shutdown is not to be indifferent to human suffering; it is to be moved by that suffering. Public health experts are understandably focused on one thing: using every possible mechanism to eradicate the virus. But balancing those efforts against other social needs lies outside their professional competence. Funding for current and future public health initiatives alone depends on keeping private economic activity alive, but the tax base is being decimated.
The outbreak in New York City is not a harbinger of things to come for the rest of the country. New York City combines a high immigrant population, high residential density and high use of public transport. Los Angeles and Orange counties in California also have large immigrant populations, but most of those immigrants travel by car, and they live in neighborhoods still characterized by the suburban bungalow. California has over 1,000 deaths as of April 18; that number is not going to explode 13 times in the coming weeks to reach New York State's 13,362. Iowa had 53 deaths as of April 16. Should it be in lockdown?
New York is representative in two senses, however: the high proportion of nursing home deaths and the profile of the deceased. Sixteen percent of New York’s coronavirus deaths occurred in nursing homes as of April 10. Nationwide, if a state is seeing a spike, it is happening in facilities for the elderly. More than 3,000 deaths nationwide are linked to such institutions, according to the Associated Press. They serve a tragically and uniquely vulnerable population. The nursing home industry was already a national shame before this pandemic. Whether or not this high death rate forces a reconsideration of how Americans care for aging parents and how much they are willing to pay for that care, for now it is imperative that nursing homes step up their game regarding cleanliness and disinfection.
The coronavirus targets the elderly frail with preexisting morbidities, as had been apparent from the highly detailed Italian data. As of April 12 in New York City, 97 percent of all coronavirus deaths had serious preexisting conditions, where the presence or absence of underlying conditions was known. The death rate for coronavirus among individuals 75 and older is 63 times higher than the death rate for New Yorkers aged 18 to 44. More than three-quarters of all deaths have been among people over 65 in New York City, a proportion replicated or exceeded elsewhere. This concentration of cases and deaths among the already sick elderly means that sweeping stay-at-home orders and business shutdowns are overly broad.
Future efforts should focus on protecting at-risk seniors, but businesses should be allowed to reopen at their discretion. Some may not if their employees don’t feel safe. Consumers have been so spooked by the nonstop media images of hazmat suits and hearses that they may stay away anyway. Nearly four-fifths of respondents in a CNN poll taken April 3 through April 6 knew no one infected by the coronavirus, yet 47 percent thought it was likely that they or someone in their family would contract the disease — an unrealistic assessment of their risk.
On Wednesday, Cuomo said that the pandemic response will be over “when people know ‘I’m 100 percent safe, and I don’t have to worry about this.’” That 100 percent safety expectation is not how we conduct the rest of our lives. There are upward of 40,000 highway deaths a year because we value our time and convenience more than the safety that could be achieved by lowering driving speeds to 25 miles an hour.
There will be more lives lost to the coronavirus, each of them tragic. But a greater tragedy is unfolding before us from this exclusive focus on one cause of death and the draconian measures being taken to avert it.
Heather Mac Donald is the Thomas W. Smith fellow at the Manhattan Institute and the author of “The Diversity Delusion.”
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The sad part is it’s not the mortality, it’s the strain on the health care system. Plus the long term strain as those who recover, will have some messed up issues to deal with.
All I can say is this shit is real.
A friends daughter caught it while in Europe. Only 19 years old, and it kicked her ass.
Yes, she survived, but still had to be hospitalized. She is hopefully lucky to have good lung function.
So it’s funny to see people pass it off as a flu, or something not so bad, just over hyped.
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It’s all Klinks fault.
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There are a lot of opinions, perspectives and unknowns right now. Please comment.
That is my comment. Did you see the debate between the dog and the cat in the Wall Street Journal?
You didn't expect us to have a serious discussion on here did you?
Got any plans for tomorrow at 4:20?
Don't be a prude...dude. :lol:
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Yep, Socratease.
If Clink is Socrateae, then I'm Plate-O. The shelter in place is causing my personal horizons to expand three times a day.
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Got any plans for tomorrow at 4:20?
Don't be a prude...dude. Laugh Out Loud
Not yet yeti. Is your deck big enough for legal social distancing?
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No, you can’t disinfect the inside of your body by drinking alcohol
The World Health Organization’s broad mission is to advocate for health and healthcare across the world, and a big part of their daily messaging is providing granular tips for healthy living. According to CNN, the WHO’s latest missive is a reminder that alcohol is bad for you, and that you can’t actually kill the coronavirus lurking inside of you by hosing down your insides with sweet, sweet ethanol. Who knew?
While the six-page fact sheet contains a slew of information you probably don’t want to hear while you play your 12th consecutive hour of Animal Crossing and season your cans of White Claw with your tears, the section labeled “General myths about alcohol and COVID-19” is nothing short of fascinating. According to the WHO, the following myths have gained enough traction that they require active debunking:
https://thetakeout.com/who-urges-restrictions-on-drinking-purchasing-alcohol-1842923541
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The shelter in place is causing my personal horizons to expand three times a day.
Waldo, I thought you said Tecate was anti-viral.
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The Hill has some really good reporting. But, be careful they also have one or two "reporters" that are complete hacks. After following for a while you will learn which ones to ignore.
I hadn't heard of The Hill.
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I disagree with the premise of the article. The reason for the shutdowns is to keep the healthcare system from being completely overwhelmed which in some areas it already is. The problem with COVID-19 is how easily it is transmitted and how devastating it is to the elderly and those with health issues. Look at the stats coming from nursing homes. There is an interesting Trevor Noah interview with Bill Gates. Do a search and find it. Bill Gates like him or not is probably one of the more informed individuals out there in regards to viruses due to his work abroad with Malaria and other diseases.
Also, seriously listen to Dr. Fauci he is respected around world as one of the pre-eminent individuals in his field. Seriously he is the best of the best, the US should be grateful for this guy and listening to every word that he says. You can search and find a couple of old interviews of this guy.
In Italy a group wanted to know how accurate the reporting was on the number of COVID-19 deaths were so they looked at the number of deaths per region per month for the last 10 years. Looking at every month for 10 years gave them an average number of deaths per month. It also provided a high and low water mark. What they found was the number of deaths during the outbreak is significantly higher than normal and that looking at numbers from previous years the number of COVID-19 deaths were higher than reported, significantly higher. I think when we look at the numbers this way in the US we will find the same thing because we do not have the means to test.
Those that are saying that this is no worse than the flu or diabetes are painting a false narrative. If you want a qualified opinion listen to Fauci or listen to Gates. that is my opinion.
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Waldo, I thought you said Tecate was anti-viral.
Tecate is most effective against lurking infections, but only if you're holding one in your hand. This minor inconvenience does affect mobility.
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Differnt(not a typo, just seems fitting) numbers. Good new as to the fatality percentage of those infected(.3% to .15%? my math must be wrong) if this study's data holds up. Still early according to these numbers of total infected at 4.1%.
My daughter Rose says they have shut down a lot of the hospital where she works and cut staff hours. (El Camino Hospital is a non-profit hospital with 420 beds based on a 41-acre campus in Mountain View, California. 420 beds JC! WHO knew? :)) She was told to stay home again today, 12 weeks to go till her baby's due date, she has enough on her mind now as it is.
KEY POINTS
The Covid-19 outbreak in Los Angeles County could be up to 55 times bigger than the number of confirmed cases, according to new research from the University of Southern California and the LA Department of Public Health.
The data, if correct, would mean that the county’s fatality rate is lower than originally thought.
With just 4% of the population infected with the disease, LA County is still very early in the epidemic, said USC professor Neeraj Sood, who led the study.
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHcuTn_NbUyKt3YmDSxjx7AqGQgEKhAIACoHCAow2Nb3CjDivdcCMP3ungY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
Happy 42020 :)
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This caught my eye. I was born in Anchorage. It's about the 1918 Influenza reaching Anchorage. Good article, scary about the virus mutating in a second wave of much more lethal infections.
https://www.adn.com/section/alaska-life/
Alaska Life
In 1918, a deadly outbreak of influenza reached Anchorage. Here’s how Alaskans responded
pencil Author: David Reamer | Histories of Anchorage clock Updated: 1 day ago calendar Published 1 day ago
Part of a continuing weekly series on local history by local historian David Reamer. Have a question about Anchorage history or an idea for a future article? Go to the form at the bottom of this story.
Around 10 a.m. on Nov. 11, 1918, news of the armistice that ended World War I reached Alaska. In Anchorage, church and school bells rang in celebration. All train whistles blew in joy. But the streets remained mostly empty. There were no cheering crowds or raucous parties, no parades or celebratory sermons. There was no public celebration. Instead, residents gathered in small groups within their homes, perhaps sharing a prohibited drink or two. Public gatherings — including schools, churches and theaters — were banned. Anchorage was under quarantine due to a pandemic.
The Spanish influenza, or Spanish flu, circled the globe from 1918 to 1919. Global death estimates range from 17 to 100 million.
The ongoing COVID-19 crisis is shaping the current Alaska understanding of epidemics, and there are numerous similarities, both shallow and revelatory, between the 1918-1919 Spanish flu and current pandemics. Most notably, those locales and individuals that abandoned practices that safeguarded themselves and those around them trailed greater death in their wake. Some Alaskans would have died of the Spanish flu regardless, but more died than were necessary.
In May 1918, the first news of a particularly virulent outbreak of influenza reached Anchorage, of a “mysterious malady which was raging through Spain the form and character of the grippe.” Alaskans commonly described what would today be called flu-like symptoms as a case of the grippe, a borrowed French term. An Oct. 25, 1918, Anchorage Daily Times article offered the contemporary understanding of the symptoms: “The disease is characterized by excessive sneezing, reddening and running of the eyes, running of the nose, chills followed by fever of 101 to 103 degrees, aching back and joints, loss of appetite and a general feeling of disability.”
The Spanish flu spread in waves. The virus of that first wave, in the spring of 1918, while notably contagious, was not especially deadly, more akin to seasonal flu. Primarily due to its isolation, Alaska was not impacted by the first wave. But in August 1918, a mutated and deadlier version of the Spanish flu appeared in Europe and began winding its way around the globe. On Oct. 9, 1918, Alaska Gov. Thomas Riggs wrote in his diary of “disturbing reports concerning Spanish influenza.” The pandemic, including its accompanying terror and death, had finally landed in Alaska.
Through late October 1918, Anchorage officials publicly downplayed the significance of the Spanish flu. The Anchorage Daily Times was the loudest mouthpiece for what could be called either damaging propaganda or valid attempts to prevent a panic. On Oct. 21, the Times claimed, “Old Jack Frost sure put the crimp into Spanish influenza that is raging in the states and Anchorage is immune.” On Oct. 29, the newspaper passed along the advice of local doctors: “Don’t be alarmed over influenza in Anchorage; there is none and what seems so is just ordinary, common every-day grippe.”
The doctors were wrong — either misinformed, misguided or lying. Only two days later, on Oct. 31, the Times announced that the newly created Anchorage health board had canceled all public gatherings due to the “epidemic of la grippe now prevailing in the community.” All public schools, churches, and theaters were closed. Even then, local doctors claimed the virus in Anchorage was not “a virulent form.”
After Nov. 11, passenger trains between Anchorage and Seward were canceled. A few days later, a new Territorial edict required all travelers to obtain a "health certificate from some physician that you have already undergone the siege with the flu before you will be permitted to travel.
Contrary to the published opinions of local doctors, the virus making its way through Anchorage was not the everyday cold or flu. It appears the first to die in Anchorage of the Spanish flu was Ed Walker, who worked as a shoeshine at the Central barbershop. The 30-year-old Walker, who as African-American, died Nov. 3.
The virus took the weak. Alex Jack, a “hunchback” Alaska Native youth, died on Nov. 8. The virus took the strong. After the death of “big, strong, robust” John Mr Mud on Nov. 19, locals realized the Spanish Flu was “no respecter of persons,” of one’s muscles or ruggedness. The virus took men and women, including Mary Gold on Nov. 29. Her husband ran a dry goods store on Fourth Avenue; he sold out and left Anchorage early the next year. The virus cared little for age, killing both the 50-year-old Chief Stepan and his 18-month-old child.
In 1918, there were neither flu vaccines nor antibiotics. The primary treatment was convalescence and a pain killer such as aspirin. During the outbreak, Loussac’s Drug Store advertised “To Avoid the influenza, take a box of our Cold Tablets and a bottle of Pine Balsam with Menthol and Eucalyptus.” Other local remedies pushed by pharmacists included quinine, Dover’s Powder [a painkiller], hot water bottles, saltwater gargles, cod liver oil and “abundant food.”
At best, these measures treated the symptoms. At worst, some of these remedies were health risks on their own. The most common active ingredient in cold pills at this time was phenacetin, banned in 1983 as a carcinogen and for damaging kidneys. Dover’s Powder was a cold drug with the active ingredients of an expectorant, opium and morphine. Quinine does not affect flu viruses, but higher dosages caused vomiting. The aspirin regimen suggested by national authorities was enough to increase the amount of fluid in lungs and cause hyperventilation. Thus, aspirin may have prompted more deaths during the pandemic.
By the end of November, the virus had burned out in Anchorage. On Nov. 26, the Anchorage board of health lifted the “flu siege” and permitted public gatherings. The local quarantine in Anchorage, described initially as a “precautionary measure,” appeared to work. While 28 people died in Anchorage that month, no subsequent deaths in town were linked to the Spanish flu. Elsewhere in Alaska, the virus raged longer and was more deadly.
The path of the virus in the Mat-Su region stands in notable contrast to Anchorage. While the spread of the pandemic was curtailed in Anchorage, it was actively spread in Mat-Su. The Alaska Engineering Commission (AEC) pressed forward with the construction of the Alaska Railroad, even as they carried the disease into Alaska Native villages. Per the Alaska Railroad Record, “At times, all the Indians in some of the villages were down with the illness, and the sick were cared for and the dead buried by Commission employees.”
The Alaska Railroad Record is a dispassionate witness. In November 1918, it noted that “construction work was materially retarded” due to the pervasiveness of the Spanish Flu amongst both area Alaska Natives and railroad laborers. One Record article is titled “Influenza Epidemic Among Indians Cost Commission More Than $2000.” Of the 28 dead in Anchorage, eight were Alaska Native, and at least 11 of the remaining 20 were AEC employees.
One Ahtna narrative describes the discovery of a Spanish flu-depopulated village. “They went from village to village finding many of the villagers sick or dead from the flu. He told of rounding a bend and seeing a small boy standing on the bank sobbing. In the background the village appeared deserted. No smoke rose from chimneys, no children playing in the yards, and no campfires burned.” For Mat-Su area Alaska Natives, the Spanish flu was one of a series of post-contact epidemics, from smallpox in the 1830s through polio, scarlet fever, and other outbreaks in the decades to come.
Though the Times claimed Anchorage residents “willingly complied with the regulations imposed,” the reality is that Alaskans everywhere chafed at the restrictions. Territory-wide, businesses, especially steamship companies, protested that quarantine edicts threatened their continued existence. Prominent Alaskans petitioned the governor for travel exemptions. All such petitions were denied.
This resistance is both relatable and deadly. Skagway provides the most illustrative example. On Feb. 21, 1919, Gov. Riggs wrote in his diary, “Skagway today partially lifted its influenza quarantine.” Just more than a month later, on March 25, Riggs wrote, “More influenza. This time it is at Skagway. On the 23rd it broke out with 40 cases yesterday 50 cases and one death. The only doctor in town is down with it.”
Lautaret, Ronald L. "Alaska's Greatest Disaster." In The Alaska Journal 1986: History and Arts of the North, Vol. 16, edited by Terrence Cole, 238-243. Anchorage: Alaska Northwest Publishing Company, 1986.
Diaries of Governor Thomas Riggs, July 8, 1918 to December 25, 1919. Alaska State Library, vilda.alaska.edu/digital/collection/cdmg21/id/16388
Shaginoff, Ingrid D. Chickaloon Wild: End of an Athabascan Family's Way of Life. Anchorage: Publication Consultants, 2017, 16.
Starko, Karen M. "Salicylates and Pandemic Influenza Mortality, 1918-1919 Pharmacology, Pathology, and Historic Evidence." Clinical Infectious Diseases 49, no. 9 (2009): 1405-1410.
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Also, seriously listen to Dr. Fauci he is respected around world as one of the pre-eminent individuals in his field. Seriously he is the best of the best, the US should be grateful for this guy and listening to every word that he says.
I'll bet $50.00 that the pathological liar/fraud in the inception fires him....
Looking at every month for 10 years gave them an average number of deaths per month. It also provided a high and low water mark. What they found was the number of deaths during the outbreak is significantly higher than normal and that looking at numbers from previous years the number of COVID-19 deaths were higher than reported, significantly higher. I think when we look at the numbers this way in the US we will find the same thing because we do not have the means to test.
Yes. many more deaths than "usual" and they aren't being attributed to the virus because of lack of testing/certainty
Those that are saying that this is no worse than the flu or diabetes are painting a false narrative.
Yep. It isn't Ebola, but it's a serious virus.
Stay healthy everyone.
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Reads like I have a lot of reading to do on the Spanish flu.
Crazy similar.
Hey Klink, both our boys were born at El Camino hospital. Nice facility and great pediatric doctors.
Yeah a little larger than Dominican.
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methods and results
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/world/coronavirus-response-lessons-learned-intl/index.html
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Yes, my wife wanted us to flee to Taiwan, but we would have been house bound for 2 weeks.
Plus I would have had to work nights to stay on US time.
But they have it well under control.
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The body is out of the box.
Scratch n' Sniff
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The body is out of the box.
Pandora beat you to it.
Scratch n' Sniff
Better off to chop a line.
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Once upon a time there was an enemy known but an invasion undetected...
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Looking at some other statistics before the forum potentially goes POOF.
There are 212 people registered.
62 people registered and never posted.
27 people registered and only posted once. Of those - two were notable - Higgins and Gagner
19 people registered and only posted twice. (my favorite was mis_demeanor - that was a fun day - clink, NOAL)
I looked at this out of pure curiosity when I saw a couple new people register the last few days.
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A greenish-silver lining.
San Francisco Chronicle
Editorial: California has a chance for a green future after the coronavirus. Don’t waste it
Chronicle Editorial Board 4 hrs ago
Trump expands battle with World Health Organization
8 undrafted free agents who could make waves
Bears are taking over Yosemite meadows, and coyotes are wandering city streets. Hilltop sunsets never looked more pure and bright. Around the world, smog-glazed skies are giving way to blue vistas and fresh air. A deadly pandemic is slowing human activity and boosting wildlife in startling ways.
With oil selling at near giveaway prices and airlines virtually grounded, there are fewer emissions pouring out. More widely, tailpipes from millions of cars and trucks are idled by stay-at-home orders. NASA space shots show far less pollution in familiar population and industrial centers across the country.
If history counts, this fairy tale picture won’t last once the viral outbreak fades, whenever that is. When recessions end, there’s a rapid upswing in economic and everyday life. Billions of people around the globe can’t wait to get back behind the wheel and go to work or school. For now, at a huge human price, the planet’s natural environment is catching a break.
That change to a greener world comes at an enormous and painful price. Even more, scientists say that greenhouse gas emissions will need to come down much further and be sustained for decades if the world is to escape a disastrous rise in temperature. A scathing outbreak is no way to achieve that goal.
Given the right leadership and thinking, there’s a chance to learn from the pandemic’s whipsaw harm. As society reknits, there should be thought about what to do differently. We’re getting a look at what clean skies and clean water and clean air feel like, a vision of what could be.
That should be one guiding thought for Gov. Gavin Newsom’s 80-member economic renewal commission. That group, announced this week, includes business, labor and politicians given the task of restarting a moribund business world.
It should come up with more than tax gimmicks or handout programs. Instead it should offer a broader look at what California can do to rebuild itself in new and lasting ways. While the state scrambles back on its feet, the panel could provide guidance in directing California forward, not simply type up bland recommendations soon forgotten.
Think big, please.
There are lots of options. Renewable energy can be encouraged or required more broadly. More fuel-sipping or electric vehicles can make a difference. Sturdier and more reliable power systems are needed and, yes, that’s a thought directed at PG&E. Prior to stay-home mandates, California once again hosted the dirtiest air the nation, led by cities in the Central Valley, Los Angeles basin and the Bay Area. The lung-clogging results make it easier for the coronavirus to take hold.
On the local level there are small stabs at noticeable changes. Street closures in Oakland and San Francisco designed to soothe spirits for pedestrians and cyclists may linger as a way to draw people out of cars. New habits, such as ordering food or working from home, may lead to changes that improve the environment. Even as the Bay Area staggers through the pandemic, its public transit is lumping along as a mainstay system that must be preserved. Medical care is being tested in new ways and needs to adjust to populations long overlooked.
Those observations pale next to the larger task of restarting an economy shattered by shutdowns, deaths and a looming second wave of infections. Experts aren’t even sure how many cases are lingering undetected in the population. For now, containing the coronavirus is job one, and California is determined to clamp down on the risky urge to open up too soon.
This state’s leaders, from county health officers to Sacramento lawmakers, have reacted quickly and forcefully. They should so again when it comes to redesigning energy, transportation, water and planning rules. The political adage of never letting a crisis go to waste is proving apt.
The state needs to plan on an eventual comeback and what it will look like. The horrific strength of the coronavirus is creating a sweeping opportunity to safeguard the environment and redirect growth. Otherwise, it’s back to smoggy days, dirty water and crowded freeways.
California, along with the rest of the world, has a chance to rebuild itself. It would be a tragedy to think in old ways.
This commentary is from The Chronicle’s editorial board. We invite you to express your views in a letter to the editor. Please submit your letter via our online form: SFChronicle.com/letters.
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Off the grid living Would be nice
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While staying at home I became a vegetable garden, no, I started a vegetable garden. It's been a while.
Purchased a galvanized fire ring, lined it with poultry netting, and filled it with organic soil(soil from earth, not the moon). I bought two tomato plants, one standard and a heirloom. Named them Oscar and Grover.
I rarely buy heirloom tomatoes because they cost so much but will try to grow some. The variety I chose is Pink Berkeley Tie Dye, Port wine colored beefsteak with metallic green stripes. Sweet and rich, earthy flavored tomato.
Besides water and organic fertilizer and mulch from our bin I sing to it and recite poetry. My music choice to encourage vigorous growth will be a blend of Pink Floyd, Metallica, and Green Day.
Last tomato I tried to grow was started too late in the season and it(Bruce) managed to produce only one fruit.
(I know this is dumb but since I am not on FB, I am a nuisance here)
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...Named them Oscar and Grover.
...I sing to it and recite poetry. My music choice to encourage vigorous growth will be a blend of Pink Floyd, Metallica, and Green Day.
Damn. You managed to stay sooo close to the edge for so long without actually going over it.
I supposed it couldn't last forever....
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Funny shit Noal, keep it up.
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Whim Sickle Health Guidance-cutting down your chances of dying today.
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Whim Sickle Health Guidance-cutting down your chances of dying today.
I've always trusted your ability to stay alive, Clink. I have doubts about the effect of your voice on tomatoes, however.
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Whim Sickle Health Guidance-cutting down your chances of dying today.
Kaiser Blade Health Guidance
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I have doubts about the effect of your voice on tomatoes, however.
Waldo, Oscar and Grover are at about 15 times their planting weight and thriving. Sometimes I have to put my Julie on.
Sprayer heads on hoses and cats with dead gophers
Vines on wood trellises and slip-on suede loafers
Mocking birds doing impossible swoops in the air
All things I enjoy when I haven't a care
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^^^
Your meter isn't quite working for me.
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New song writing team of clink and clunk
Spray heads on hoses and cats with dead gophers
Wood trellis vineyards and slip-on suede loafers
Mocking birds swooping in cool morning air
Things I enjoy when I haven't a care
Needs another verse and a chorus. :thumbup: :biggrin: :guitar: :blahblah:
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Waldo, Oscar and Grover are at about 15 times their planting weight and thriving. Sometimes I have to put my Julie on.
Sprayer heads on hoses and cats with dead gophers
Vines on wood trellises and slip-on suede loafers
Mocking birds doing impossible swoops in the air
All things I enjoy when I haven't a care
Wow! Now I'll have to dust off my Doris Day!
K-sirrah, sirrah, whatever will bee will beeee!
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Wow! Now I'll have to dust off my Doris Day!
K-sirrah, sirrah, whatever will bee will beeee!
:D
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Nice, Waldo.
Now I'll have to dust off my Doris Day!
Do you need help? I always wanted to do some exhuming.
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Is no one going to state the obvious?
Julie Andrews sang that tune in The Sound of Music (clink's lyrics sung to the tune of My Favorite Things).
No denying Doris Day was quite the hot Hollywood Property in her day.
Maybe what the World Needs Now is a Tinsel Town Rebellion :guitar: :blahblah: :lol: :yesnod: :thumbup:
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WTF where has this thread gone??
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WTF where has this thread gone??
More appropriately - Where Have All the Flowers Gone?
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No post is completely worthless.
It can always serve as a bad example.
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The song for today should be Ohio (thanks Neil).
Can't believe it has been 50 years.
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WTF where has this thread gone??
Into every thread...a little chubby rain must fall.
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More appropriately - Where Have All the Flowers Gone?
Long time passing . . . This could get scary if we start exhuming the Kingston Trio! "Hang down your head, ?????"
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Kat and I watched Michael Moore's new film last night.
I will never look at solar panels, windmills or electric cars the same again.
It's available free on YouTube or on their website (planetofthehumans.com)
Planet of the Humans - I loved the lettering done in the exact style of the original Planet of the Apes.
I watched the response to critics segment with Moore and company this morning. It pops up after the film if you use the Tube.
Spoiler Alert - it does not end with Goddamn you all to hell!
but it probably should...
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Humanity is doomed, it is our destiny to fail miserably and then tell everyone around us how great we are.
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Kat and I watched Michael Moore's new film last night.
I will never look at solar panels, windmills or electric cars the same again.
It's available free on YouTube or on their website (planetofthehumans.com)
Planet of the Humans - I loved the lettering done in the exact style of the original Planet of the Apes.
I watched the response to critics segment with Moore and company this morning. It pops up after the film if you use the Tube.
Spoiler Alert - it does not end with Goddamn you all to hell!
but it probably should...
Interesting... I thought the "Planet of the Humans" movie was very misleading and does a real disservice to concerted efforts to fight climate change using renewables and greener technology.
For a balanced, critical review of some of the problems with the movie, see the review on Vox:
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/28/21238597/michael-moore-planet-of-the-humans-climate-change
And for a more entertaining but very accurate take on the problems with the movie, see the following review - the reviewer's comparison of bicycles and cars (as a stand-in for the movie director's lame take on green energy versus the fossil fuel industry) is particularly good and reinforces the absurdity of the movie's premise:
https://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/planet-of-humans-review/
Basically, the movie suggests that green energy is "bad" because it uses destructive resources, but this use of resources pales in comparison with the existing fossil fuel driven industrial complex. And the director *never* admits that point, which seems very misleading to viewers. As the second article above explains, it is like saying that bicycles are "bad" because their construction requires use of "bad" resources, so really they are just as bad as cars. This is clearly not the case given the much less intensive production chains that manufacture of bicycles requires, and the benefits over time of riding bicycles rather than spewing CO2 and other pollutants into the atmosphere from cars.
The director also suggests that green energy or renewables are dumb or pointless because they can't even power more than a toaster, i.e. limited energy use. This is just plain wrong, and really borders on the director lying to viewers - he draws information from old renewable tech rather than the newer developments in the last 5 years, and he fails to acknowledge strides in more efficient and long-term storage capacity, much more efficient energy generation from solar, development of storage grids and transmission to account for off-peak times of energy use in certain areas... and the list goes on.
Basically the director states that "you need to look closely to see the real effects of green energy"... But ironically he has not done due diligence himself to present a more fair assessment of the value of using green energy to reduce overall CO2 emissions. The reality is that in comparison with what we are doing now focused on fossil fuel industry, renewable alternatives scaled effectively and extensively could indeed draw down global emissions by 50% or more. We just need the social and political will to push those technologies, and certainly the humility to revise or reject certain attempts that backfire and do not work well.
Anyway, check out the above articles, and sorry for the rant... I get kind of worked up about information like the Gibbs / Moore film that seem accurate on the surface but contain a lot of misleading information, lies by omission, and promote the defeatist vibe that is so easy to fall into these days.
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Gavin, how goes it in the monument?
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It's going well enough - I feel thankful to have paid work, and of course feel very fortunate to live out here.
The spring season has been beautiful, and it is strange to see the park in full bloom with so few visitors. It has been so quiet, especially with the decrease in airplane / helicopter traffic overhead.
I've been out climbing infrequently, mostly to areas that are further afield. But work has been busy - overall park staffing has been a skeleton crew with a number of folks on safety leave (that have preexisting conditions making them more susceptible to the virus), and with a number of position vacancies even before the pandemic hit. We're doing the best we can collectively but feel stretched pretty thin.
Overall I feel pretty lucky that friends, family, Alacia, and I are healthy and doing well given these crazy times.
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Most of the film footage and data used to make the film is old. I've never liked Michael Moore. For a person who is against big business he sure has a lot of money. His films tend to preach to the converted. The converted are generally a demographic that sees the world as totally screwed, unjust, hopeless, and beyond repair. As Gavin stated defeatist.
This video goes over footage from the film and compares it to up to date info and statistics. (https://youtu.be/ZmNjLHRAP2U)
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Most of the film footage and data used to make the film is old. I've never liked Michael Moore. For a person who is against big business he sure has a lot of money. His films tend to preach to the converted. The converted are generally a demographic that sees the world as totally screwed, unjust, hopeless, and beyond repair. As Gavin stated defeatist.
This video goes over footage from the film and compares it to up to date info and statistics. (https://youtu.be/ZmNjLHRAP2U)
Wow! I just finished watching that video and it is great. Thanks NOAL :thumbup: :biggrin: :yesnod: :arf:
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Hey Gavin, well in the outside world...at Shoreline in Mtn View an Osprey pair have decided to nest (although I have not seen 2 at the same time. The area is roped off and the PD had to break up the crowds of Birders...not sure if Batons and Pepper Spray were needed. Comical since I just see this 1 bird chilling, not even moving a hair....I want to yell to it WAKE UP!!!
Noal, I agree with you sentiment. Yes, he made a great movie about how economics and Blue collar work go hand in hand for an area. Showing that industry is a critical part of an areas economic success. Great point, but sorry that is life and evolution...things change. He tends to go to an extreme, and maybe there needs to be people like that on the left (but not the right). Be nice to see him donate more.
It would be funny if he made a movie about REI and cook up some dark secret about it....
Give me a Coastal rural place to live with a boat to fish from, land to grow veggies and I'd be fine with that.
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He tends to go to an extreme, and maybe there needs to be people like that on the left (but not the right).
I prefer that neither left or right be too extreme. Nothing gets solved or accomplished.
The 2000's were extremely good for Michael Moore. He won an academy award, had the highest grossing documentary film of all time with farenheit 911, made many other high grossing films, and had a few books on the best sellers list.
With all of that said, I have never watched any of his films without a critical eye. Like any other Hollywood film they are produced to make money, to entertain ,and provoke emotion.
We should all hope that in the future the same opportunity will not be given to the extreme right by the film making industry.
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Roger and Me was a key film to my Macro Econ class...to show the importance of industry to employ people.
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Happy Mudders Day!
And to all a good night...
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Is everybody behaving?
Staying home or in your neighborhood to exercise?
Not climbing?
Finding other things to do?
Loving the masks?
Are you One More or One Less?
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Attend grades 1-12 online.
Earn a college degree completely online.
Get a job working remotely (exclusively).
Computered from cradle to grave.
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I just noticed that the you tube problem looks like it is fixed - scroll up to NOAL's post.
Nice job team mudder!
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I’d be out retro bolting!!!
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And my post counts are back.
Yay!
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I’d be out retro bolting!!!
I think you should have at least one pink square.
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And my post counts are back.
Yay!
They must have been under quarantine.
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From The New York Times:
How Scientists Could Stop the Next Pandemic Before It Starts
Researchers believe they could pre-emptively create vaccines and drugs to fight a wide range of viral threats — if they can get sufficient funding.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/21/magazine/pandemic-vaccine.html?smid=em-share
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"I grieved to think how brief the dream of the human intellect had been. It had committed suicide. It had set itself steadfastly towards comfort and ease, a balanced society with security and permanency as its watchword, it had attained its hopes - to come to this at last. Once, life and property must have reached almost absolute safety. The rich had been assured of his wealth and comfort, the toiler assured of his life and work. No doubt in that perfect world there had been no unemployed problem, no social question left unsolved. And a great quiet followed."
H.G.Wells
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F4 is unsquared and unsigned
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Story of my life, I get no respect.
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F4 is unsquared and unsigned
It seems he is in good company albeit a little muddy...
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I resemble that comment!
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F4 is Mud N' Crud's ventilator.
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Yup, gotta keep the forum alive!!
We need conflict!
Retrobolting, Cats with dogs.....anarchy!
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The Extended Life and Times of Sir Deadman Illary. A truly amazing modern man.
Good reads by the same author;
High Adventure: The True Story of virtual exploration while smoking excellent weed at home during a storm.
View from the Summit: The Remarkable Memoir by the First Person to Survive a Ventilator and also escape to the hospital roof.
Nothing Venture, Nothing Caught and Spread: Regrets of going to the bar without a mask, when he could have just stayed home.
From the Ocean to the Sky: The wonderful views from parking lots.
The Crossing of Antarctica: A collection of daydreams.
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A cheeseburger walks into a bar.
The bartender says - sorry, we don't serve food here.
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Scientists have been working very hard while studying the effect of cannabis on sea birds....
Apparently they’ve left no tern un-stoned.
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^^^
A game fish and Bill the Cat walk backwards out of a bar...
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Took a stroll down millionaires row this afternoon just for something different.
Just 5 minutes of walking to see how the other half lives.
Such a weird mix of architectural styles with a few that are somewhat bizarre - but I would gladly take any one of them and make it my own.
Is this our last rain of spring time?
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It’s okay one the other side, we put our pants on 1 leg at a time.
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It’s okay one the other side, we put our pants on 1 leg at a time.
I've been on the other side and sorry brah but you ain't it! :lol: :out: :prrr: :ciappa:
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We like to try new recipes and take those we find and customize them.
What we put together tonight had baby spinach and tofu to start and after chopping it in the food processor, the dish took on a nice greenish tint. We prefer to name our dishes something silly but this one has to be Soylent Green. The only thing that could have made it better would be if we'd borrowed the tofu from a neighbor.
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^^^
Katie has been cooking vegan for us two nights a week. She really puts some work into it and the result is often really delicious.
We had a pasta dish a few nights ago with a cashew-based sauce that was as good as dinner can get.
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We like to try new recipes and take those we find and customize them.
What we put together tonight had baby spinach and tofu to start and after chopping it in the food processor, the dish took on a nice greenish tint. We prefer to name our dishes something silly but this one has to be Soylent Green. The only thing that could have made it better would be if we'd borrowed the tofu from a neighbor.
And by the way, no matter the ingredients, CAN a dish called "Soylent Green" be vegan?
After all, "it's...." Well, you know the rest of the quote :P
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waldo shared this with me on that other site.
Lasher's euro doppleganger.
You don't have to speak his language to get what he is saying while making moves between hardware.
What the hell does he stuff in that one hole to tighten up the pin?
Looks like some type of corrugated paper.
His climbing log is wonderful.
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What the hell does he stuff in that one hole to tighten up the pin?
Looks like some type of corrugated paper.
His climbing log is wonderful.
JC, I'm betting on discarded fuel rod insulation from Chernobyl.
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^^^
We had a pasta dish a few nights ago with a cashew-based sauce that was as good as dinner can get.
We have several cashew-based sauce recipes - always good. We have been making a cheesecake using cashews - yummy.
I sent several vegan recipes to Vicki in an email. Hopefully Katie will decide to try some of them.
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What the hell does he stuff in that one hole to tighten up the pin?
He says its corrugated lead from a pipe that has been cut open and flattened out.
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JC, I'm betting on discarded fuel rod insulation from Chernobyl.
:lol:
He says its corrugated lead from a pipe that has been cut open and flattened out.
That would make a lot of sense.
Is there a translate button somewhere that I don't know about?
Doh!...answered my own question - found the English subtitles :yesnod: :biggrin: :thumbup:
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I think I actually liked it more not knowing what he was saying the first time but it was fun to watch again and see some of the stuff he said. Good either way. Ground up, hard climbing, good hardware, record-keeping but doesn't care who knows. That all sounds pretty familiar. :yesnod:
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I’ve been cooking Ribs in the insta-pot, yummy, yummy.
Nice Hilti drill, man that thing would be fun....
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I’ve been cooking Ribs in the insta-pot, yummy, yummy.
Can't do that with cashews.
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Wtf, do I look like a squirrel. Shit, I’d throw a squirrel in the insta pot....And eat it.
Yeah, had to slim down if eating ribs, but they taste so good.
Dare I say the ribs are better than what Mudworm used to cook?
Hard to say better since it’s the same recipe.
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Shit, I’d throw a squirrel in the insta pot...
I ate some squirrels once. Good for stew. Would be good in instapot.
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I ate some squirrels once. Good for stew. Would be good in instapot.
I squirreled some eights for a while on my last uni tire but haven't been doing it lately.
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I squirreled some eights for a while on my last uni tire but haven't been doing it lately.
In English please?
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I'd update the current conditions at Pinns but it's too depressing.
Ordered some new uni tires today and put off working on the garage some more (termites).
Got a nice ride in.
They are calling for record high temps here next week.
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How many ties do you need for a Uni cycle?
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How many ties do you need for a Uni cycle?
I have two 36 inch unicycles and I like to keep an extra tire on hand since they are a hassle to get and the shelf life is long - plus the dealer had them on sale (30% discount) - score!
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CDC warns of 'unusual or aggressive rodent behavior' in search for new food sources
BY JUSTIN WISE - 05/24/20 08:21 AM EDT
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is warning that rodents are becoming increasingly aggressive as they scavenge for food amid a mass closure of restaurants caused by the coronavirus outbreak.
In an advisory posted to its website, the health agency noted that rodents rely on the food and waste generated at businesses serving food, especially in dense commercial areas. Closures and limits on service have caused rodents to search for new sources of food and to exhibit more erratic behavior.
The CDC said that some areas have reported "an increase in rodent activity" and that environmental health and rodent control programs should be prepared for more calls about "unusual or aggressive rodent behavior."
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/499343-cdc-warns-of-unusual-or-aggressive-rodent-behavior-in-search-for-new-food
Just like humans
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Are they hoarding TP?
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/499343-cdc-warns-of-unusual-or-aggressive-rodent-behavior-in-search-for-new-food
Just like humans
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Rat kabobs
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^^^
A nice supplement for your ratatouille
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"America’s Patchwork Pandemic Is Fraying Even Further
The coronavirus is coursing through different parts of the U.S. in different ways, making the crisis harder to predict, control, or understand."
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/patchwork-pandemic-states-reopening-inequalities/611866/?utm_source=atl&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share
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^^^
Jeezus...you must love to read.
I couldn't stick with it.
I have visions of all the leaders playing a game of hot potato.
Mainly I just keep my mouth shut, do my thing and feel grateful for another day above ground.
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Has anyone else's gardening skills improved during this quarantine like mine have?
I planted myself on my couch at the beginning of March and I've grown significantly since.
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Has anyone else's gardening skills improved during this quarantine like mine have?
I planted myself on my couch at the beginning of March and I've grown significantly since.
Thanks for the laugh Dude! Nope, I haven't grown at all :wink: :biggrin:
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My garden has improved.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/sethcohen/2020/05/26/we-all-failed--the-real-reason-behind-ny-governor-andrew-cuomos-surprising-confession/#3bc8f48b6fa5
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Has anyone else's gardening skills improved during this quarantine like mine have?
I planted myself on my couch at the beginning of March and I've grown significantly since.
Did you inject Miracle Grow or take it orally?
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No posting
No boasting
No toasting
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No posting
No boasting
No toasting
So much for that.
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Modifications...
https://www.nps.gov/pinn/learn/news/pinnacles-national-park-is-beginning-to-increase-recreational-access-to-vehicles-for-day-use-visitation-on-the-west-side-with-limitations.htm?fbclid=IwAR0qfKbTLXri7i9bQs7_lFrkn7XKmggehY5T24CqJAQNDUIpIVxiXrE10uk
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sounds like clink is holed up in his compound.
I heard Brad may be in Montana helping Katie plant a crop of Dental Floss.
F4 still can't make up his mind.
Noal is lurking in the shadows thinking about his next clever post.
Mud is out on some wild mountain bike trail looking for a magical water source.
and of course...the dude abides...
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sounds like clink is holed up in his compound.
Home on Deranged
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^^^
Oh I could so write a totally inappropriate next line to that song! :redface: :nono: :devildevil: :blahblah: :guitar:
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Oh I could so write a totally inappropriate next line to that song!
Heard, word and turd rhyme. F4 could rewrite the song for his dump thread. I'll start it for him.
Oh, give me a Park where the spiders do bark
Where the buzzards and condors get laid
Where often is heard the soft plopping of turds
and the TP is restocked each day
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I heard Brad may be in Montana helping Katie plant a crop of Dental Floss.
Nope, no Montana for me. Katie's on her way though. The house seems noticeably quieter, and probably not in a good way.
Tricia and I just got back from one of the colder backpacking trips I've done. Sonora Pass to Highway 4 with Dawsons for their 2020 inaugural PCT trip. The one we did here:
http://www.mudncrud.com/forums/index.php?topic=2088.0
Although Tricia and I did this one in two days six years ago, we-all spent three. Partly because it was the first trip of the season and partly because of expected more difficult conditions (and we got them - lots of traveling over, and sometimes through, residual snow).
We woke up today to frozen water bottles. And then hiked in sun, cloudy conditions, snow flurries, and snow flurries while we were in the sun.
Meanwhile our spy in the Great Northwest tells us that it's rain there for a while and besides, he recently got stopped by snow while biking not so far from the PCT. So our first PCT trip of the year is likely two weeks off.
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Oh, and in keeping with the theme of this thread, Vicki did drive us to the start of the hike and picked us up from the finish. All five of us. And we all six wore masks while we were in the car. The whole time. Not as a joke either. And the windows were down when possible.
It's easy to be careful, especially when it is easy.
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Oh, give me a Park
Where the spiders do bark
Where the buzzards
And condors get laid
Where often is heard
The soft plopping of turds
And the PO
Grows like it gets paid
Home grown and deranged
Where the mud and the crud
Fall away
Where seldom a bolt
Keeps your heart from a jolt
And the lichen is
Crunchy and gray
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I've been riding my new bicycle. Sorry I did not go the unicycle route.
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...And the CLIMBERS are
Crusty and gray
I couldn't resist changing the last lines of your fine, melodious poem. As you know, I'm one of those sticklers for accuracy and all.
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Most of the roads looked good. Lots of the strange local creatures out in large trucks with ATV's and guns. They like to congregate in large herds and when parked like to make circles. I suppose this wards of evil spirits and Indians. Your wife should be fine around these creatures she is white plus they are mainly dangerous to themselves and those that they know. Do not provoke with tie-die or paisley patterns. Flannel, camo patterns, and bright orange caps with ear muffs are known to placate these creatures. When in doubt she can just place her hand in her purse and mention glocks and winchester. At this point they may make mooing type sounds and start to drool but this is normal behavior.
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Nice work on the poem
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I've been riding my new bicycle. Sorry I did not go the unicycle route.
Invalid without pictures.
I put a nice new tire on my spare 36 inch uni if you want to come over and try it out.
I also have my 26 inch wheel available for a while (I am planning to give it to my buddy Dave in Los Angeles).
We could wear matching outfits. :puke:
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I couldn't resist changing the last lines of your fine, melodious poem.
As you know, I'm one of those sticklers for accuracy and all.
I changed it to crunchy.
Yum!
Nice work on the poem
Yer story was funny Mud.
As for the poem - it was a clink inspired collaborative effort enhanced by some late night shenanigans and tomfoolery :idea: :biggrin: :arf:
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Lots of the strange local creatures out in large trucks with ATV's and guns
Ha! I remember these guys from Alabama!
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WTF???
I’m here and sadly I had already succumbed to household projects...painting.
I was biking a lot like 150+ a week, but have to heal up from a little crash on Saturday.
Next week we are going back to the gold mining camp just like last year.
Cordless Rotohammer drill, check
(Side note I am available for hire In power drill approved areas)
Fishing poles, check
Lots of beer, check
More beer, check
I hope not to forget anything.
I like the idea of backpacking 108 to 4...I have beer requested to get my 2x out.
Lucas is a good bear deterrent.
JC, you starting your summer season at the Pinns??
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Ha! I remember these guys from Alabama!
Sometimes while I am out and about I come across bandit target practice sites. As a kid I remember these, always a fair about of trash and spent cartridges. When I was a kid the trash would always contain a fair bit of soda can and beer cans. Now it is beer cans and energy drinks. Somehow this later combo makes me a bit nervous.
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I’m here and sadly I had already succumbed to household projects...painting.
Did some painting today too.
JC, you starting your summer season at the Pinns??
Still working up to that idea.
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Ha! I remember these guys from Alabama!
Oom boppa oom boppa oom boppa mau mau
Elvira :blahblah: :guitar:
Alabama, Oakridge Boys...all good fun
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Now it is beer cans and energy drinks. Somehow this later combo makes me a bit nervous.
Getting rowdy has reached a new level.
All those bad haircuts. Yeesh.
That song was on the radio hourly when I was kid. In Fort Payne Alabama they took a whole grocery store and made an Alabama the band museum.
Love the comment section for that YouTube clip. Funny stuff.
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Yup, pretty funny.
I remember the Alabama girls in high school...
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Since the last post involved snakes, it seems appropriate that clink snuck down to Pinnacles without me yesterday - 3 months from the last time I was there (Friday, March the 13th).
He said the east side was a total zoo.
Overflow lot at the east side VC was packed - as was the campground - and there were hoards on the trails.
They are still not allowing vehicles past the VC but I heard through the grapevine that the situation is ripe to change.
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This thread can fade into obscurity until season two starts.
The Steep and Narrow opened today.
Caves are still closed.
I find some people around here have learned nothing from all this.
Some guy drove by me today after I'd just struggled to get my uni ride going and yelled at me to get off the road.
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Sorry, didn't realize it was you. I thought some gangbanger with covid hair had chopped a bike and was stealing half of it.
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Ain't nothin wrong with a little B.O.C.! Yeah!
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Some guy drove by me today after I'd just struggled to get my uni ride going and yelled at me to get off the road.
Typical Santa Cruz openess....
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Typical Santa Cruz openess....
The natives have become restless and unruly.
The Santa Cruz health officer gave up on the beach closures.
A week or two has gone by since people started ignoring the order for restricted beach access.
The county lacked enforcement personnel so they just gave up.
A car coming up from the beach yesterday cut me off at a 4-way intersection on the uni.
I had to bail off the front to avoid getting run over. They did it on purpose.
I just took a drive to check for cross over points that I can use to turn right, then u-turn at a cross over point and avoid going across all my usual intersections by always turning right.
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Yup, what did you expect, good morning, marry my daughter. They are people of the land....people of the common clave, you know morons....
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I met new KC climbing partner Alex in the West Side parking lot a bit after four yesterday. I arrived first and was surprised to see an ambulance, an NPS enforcement truck and a CDF truck all clustered toward the south end of the lot. I approached a ranger - a very young guy - and asked what was up. He confirmed that a "heat" rescue was in progress. As we spoke, the CDF guys and the ambulance guys trooped in from the Juniper Canyon trail escorting a tall, shaky woman in her thirties. She was proceeding under her own steam but went immediately to the ambulance, climbed in and stretched out on the gurney. Alex showed up about then and we headed out to the Flumes.
It was hot. Amazingly, the wind came up and the temp dropped after we topped the little rise between Split Boulders and the Shepherd. By the time we sat down in front of Self-Selecting Substrate, the cooling breeze and shade had made that a perfect place to be. That's a fine climb, by the by. I'm giving it another star in my mental book. We also did Where the Sun Shines (it didn't!) and Big Bad West (Alex's first lead - thanks very much, Clink!) We were going to do Tilting Terrace, but two climbers were just starting it. The evening was flat beautiful - cool breeze, late light and stunning views of Machete.
I felt covid-comfortable throughout, except for an unexpected encounter on the trail on the way out. We wore masks to walk in and get suited up. We used hand sanitizer before handling the rope and stayed safely apart while completing the climbs. I stuck my mask in the pack instead of my pocket for the walk out and discovered that fact when we ran into a family walking in not far from the first bridge. C'est la vie - I hope.