Post by: mynameismud on April 11, 2010, 10:13:33 AM
Bikes that I have tested
Santa Cruz TB, LTc, XC and Nomad.
- The LTc is a great climber and jumper. This bikes just seems to inspire confidence. 3 test rides so far.
- The Nomad was just to much for what I want.
- The TB is very stable and fantastic light weight cross country bike. The suspension is a bit firm. Jumps well. Climbs very well out of the saddle. Has a neutral feel. The carbon gives a feel that the aluminum bikes do not have since the vibrations are way different. Noticed this a bit with the Rockstar but it seems to ride a bit different that the TB. 4 test rides so far.
- Really like the TB and the LTc.
Ibis Mojo
- The Mojo is perhaps the ultimate play bike for bikes with this amount of travel. A bit to responsive for me but if I could have a play bike this would be it. I thought the LTc climbed better and was more solid going down, but the Mojo is just pure fun.
Trek Remedy
- Remedy rides quite well for a 6" travel bike and has a fantastic warranty. The ABP suspension seems to be a compromise of the Horst Link. Not quite as active but still active while pedaling. Nice riding bike.
Gary Fischer High Fi.
- GF with the reduced trail fork is just to twitchy for me.
Pivot Mach 5, 429 Medium and Small.
- medium 429 was very stable especially in the air. Felt good going fast. Climbed qood. This is a stiff bike, something that Chris C is known for. The medium 429 and the Medium TB ride much the same. The TB is a bit lighter and perhaps the better XC race bike the 429 felt a bit more cush and more stable at speeds and in the air.
- The small 429 climbed the best in technical climbs being a bit more agile. Was surprised at how much I was able to play on this. Like a 29" Mojo. Cannot explain how much different it seemed to ride compared to the medium. I just wonder if this will make it tiring on long rides.
- Medium 429 Coe 10 k. I was the limiting factor. Fun bike did very well.
- Medium 429 Water Dog. Bike did every thing I asked. Going down a couple of tight switch backs was just a tad bit more techie but manageable.
- The Mach 5 just did not turn me on. The steering is a bit to quick for a 5" travel bike.
Titus FTM, El Quapo, Rockstar.
- The FTM is light and very responsive fun bike. Felt fast.
- The El Quapo surprised me in how well it climbed. I did not do much on this but the two short hills, that I did, were not an issue. Perhaps needs more rear tire clearance.
- The Rockstar did well, light 4" travel 9er. Need to do a more substantial ride.
Niner RIP 9
- medium RIP 9 Climbs well through rock gardens. Descends very well (big surprise). Steers quickly. Front end feels a bit light on tight technical switchback climbs. Fun bike. This bike is stiff. Plush rear suspension. A good 140 - 120 or 110 adjustable fork on this thing would make for an amazing All Mountain rig.
- small RIP 9 technical climbs it does well. A bit heavy on long sustained steep climbs that many people do not clean. An absolute blast going down. A very good AM bike. Steep HA is noticeable on long rides but not disconcerting. Fun. When I was done I wanted more.
- Medium RIP 9 Just a fun bike for descents and jumps. Climbs fairly well. Very good in technical chunk. Chain Suck, if the chain comes off and drops inside it can be bad.
Moots Mooto xz
- Large Mooto xz A fun lively 29er that steers quickly and feels agile. I liked it on the climbs even though with the long Chainstays this should not be the strong point of this bike.
In order to keep tracked of everything this is a list of the bikes that have my interest.
Bikes that I have ridden
Pivot 429 Small - Still in the running. Fun and agile for a 9er.
Pivot 429 Medium - Still in the running. Fun, Fast. Liking more than the small. Stable bike. Stiff frame.
Pivot Mach 5 - ruled out. Front and a bit to twitchy.
Santa Cruz LTc - Still in the running, good climb and jumper.
Santa Cruz TB - Medium - Still in the running. Very predictable. Fast.
Santa Cruz TB Large - ruled out. Just to big.
Santa Cruz Nomad - ruled out. A bit to squish.
Gary Fisher High Fi - ruled out. Front end to fast, reminiscent of old Racer X.
Trek Remedy Large - Still in the running. Fun for a 6" travel bike.
Titus FTM Large - Still in the running. Fun bike.
Titus EG large - ruled out - Nice bike, but perhaps to much for all day rides.
Titus Rock Star - Still in the running.
Specialized SWorks Enduro Carbon - basically ruled out but a possibility. Rails corners very well.
Specialized Enduro - Still in the running but a distant runner
Ibis Mojo - A medium travel play bike. Seems to like popping up in the air.
Niner RIP 9 - Medium - Stiff, good in funk, fun, a bit heavy, steers quick, jumps well.
Niner RIP 9 - Small - Same as medium.
Moots Mooto xz - Large - Supple, quick steering, active suspension, lively.
Bikes that are on the list that I have not ridden.
Rock Mountain Altitude 29
Turner 5 Spot
Turner Sultan
Trek Fuel EX 9.8
Trek Fuel EX 9.9
Giant Trance X
Giant Trance X SL
Giant Anthem 29
Intense Tracer - ruled out
Intense Tracer 29 - ruled out
Post by: mynameismud on April 11, 2010, 10:50:49 AM
The course I used to demo all the bikes was to ride from the parking lot up to the top of Rocky Ridge and back. This trail is aptly named. There are a lot of rocks and some short sections of loose baby heads.
We got there fairly early since I wanted to test ride the Pivots. There are not many opportunities to ride these bikes so I did not want to miss this. Thankfully it was a bit cold with some minor sprinkles so a ton of people were not there. It was however a good turn out.
The only bike available in a size close to me at the Pivot trailer was a small 429. I was a bit amped and quickly headed up Rocky Ridge. I made it to the top with one dab mostly because I was winded. I took a quick 30 second stop, to catch my breath, then rode to the top. For a 9er it was very agile and I was able to move it around with ease and yet the front end was not twitchy. I had a lot of fun on this bike. Going up and coming down. Coming down I was really surprised at how well it hopped and jumped over little things. Not as stable as the medium on the big high speed stuff.
Next up with a Medium Mach 5. I did not do to well on this. It is a nice bike and very stiff laterally. However the front end was just a bit to twitchy for me. I like a more predictable/stable front. I had several dabs going up and just could not find a rhythm. I had difficulty controlling the front. Some people like this but it just does not mesh with me. Dropping down from the top I was cruising around 20 or so when the front wheel caught something. Without any real notice I was down and hard. My head and shoulder smacked a rock. I heard a bit of a crack from my helmet and was very glad it was there. I slowly began to move all my parts and make sure every worked. My ankle was sore and my shoulder stiff. As I rode the rest of the way down the sore parts began to loosen up. Half was down almost had a low speed header to add to the previous spill. I think the rebound on the rear shock was a bit fast/hard and the front a bit slow/soft. A bad combination. The result is I have ruled out the Mach 5. Perhaps an unfair judgment, but putting my shirt on today is a major chore as is lifting my elbow up to shoulder height. I am not going into detail on the elbow, knee and ankle.
Santa Cruz medium TB, had two or three dabs to the top. The suspension is a bit harsh but it climbs well and has a neutral feel that I really like. This bike had a 120 front instead of the standard 100. I think I prefer the 120. Nice bike. I think this is my 4th demo of the TB, I just keep coming back.
Pivot Medium 429, it was good to ride the medium TB and the medium 429 back to back. These two bikes ride very similar. The cockpit setup and feel is almost identical. The suspension and handling is also very similar. The 429 might have just a tad bit more clearance. The 429 felt just a bit more plush and a bit more comfortable in the air. Even though the 429 had a 4 inch instead of a 5 inch fork it felt just as comfortable on the descents. Coming down Rocky Ridge the medium 429 felt the best of all the bikes. Again 2 or 3 dabs going up. Very similar to the TB. I think between the TB and the medium 429 it comes down to this, the TB is lighter and perhaps better as a pure lightweight cross country bike, the medium 429 is a bit heavy and perhaps a better choice for someone that wants to do a bit more jumping or will be riding a lot more in the rocks. With a 120 on the 429 this difference could be even larger.
Had to check out the small 429 a second time in order to confirm whether or not what I felt on the first ride was correct or just early morning excitement. I had a couple of dabs going up but part of that was being tired. There were times when my legs were burning and I was really huffing and puffing. To me the small 429 is more agile, not quite as stable at speed in the air but in the tight techie stuff there is a difference. Fun surprise on the decent running into Jeannie and her brother.
I would have liked to have taken out the LTc but I was tired and beginning to get quite stiff and sore. I ate some food that was supplied by Tread Bicycles, relaxed and talked bikes with a few people. Jeannie and her brother came back. While Jeannie's brother checked out a 429, Mudworm and Jeannie talked bikes, racing, and weather.
From here Mudworm and I went to the climbing gym. I did not do so well, I think I made it up 3 routes then gave up. Mudworm did a few extra laps then we called it a day.
Good fun (except for the crash)
Next weekend is Sea Otter I will probably go there and try and test a few more bikes.
Niner bikes tried to be at the Tread Demo but could not get parts there in time. So they will be letting Tread bicycles Demo these bike for free until the end of the Month.
Here's to sweat in your eye
Post by: Brad Young on April 11, 2010, 12:24:39 PM
Seriously, though, if you're looking to sell an older bike, I'm in the market for something used and cheap.
Post by: mynameismud on April 11, 2010, 02:13:55 PM
What are you looking for? Full Suspension? hard tail? Free ride?
Post by: Uncle Stinky on April 11, 2010, 02:50:01 PM
Post by: Brad Young on April 11, 2010, 03:24:57 PM
I'm just looking for something inexpensive to ride with the girls on the railroad grade.
Post by: mungeclimber on April 11, 2010, 04:14:56 PM
Post by: mynameismud on May 12, 2010, 01:02:51 PM
Saturdays ride went well. Not great and not as well as I had expected. It was not bad, just not as good as I thought it would be. Bikes with 29 inch wheels tend to have steeper head tube angles. The RIP is no exception and is on the steeper side. It steered quick. I did average on the climbs. I was riding a bit cold since I have not been riding much lately. I had hoped to get in a big ride Sunday to really give this bike the test.
The Plan was to ride at Coe on Sunday. Sunday morning we awoke to rain. Packed up and went to Coe anyway. At Coe it was pouring and I began to slip into a near fatal funk. I had a bike that I had been itching to ride for over a Month and it was dialed. Tread bikes did a fantastic job building this quickly for me. Did not miss a shift ever, all parts were tight, I was very happy with their work. I had been working my butt off and had a day when I could get away, just to be shutdown by the weather gods.
We talked it over and decided to go up to Santa Teresa and ride there. If the weather cleared we would not be that far away and could run back down to Coe. Once at Santa Teresa there were dark clouds all around us but none above. We quickly geared up and rode.
Jumped on Rocky Ridge Trail again and got the entire trail clean no dabs. A first and I was feeling better already. We ended up riding for about 4 hours, al little more, and were able to do some exploring and find some good trails. I flatted at the very end so the Mudworm rode to fetch the car while I pushed out.
My Summary of the RIP 9. Climbs well in technical chop. The slightly higher bottom bracket helps with this. Is capable on very steep fire roads. Feels good in the air and jumping. If you just do not want to actually try and pick a line it is possible to just plow through a lot of junk/funk. Caution is needed though if you do this and run low pressure in your tires, since you may end up pushing the bike the rest of the way to the parking lot.
The build I rode was for a demo so not real light. I did not really notice it except on the real steep fire road pitches. I was still able to ride these and do fine but a heavy bike is a heavy bike. Other than weight the one thing that I noticed is, for whatever reason, the suspension seemed to clang on occasion. Perhaps a rock was kicked up I do not know what caused this. Not a deal breaker for me at all.
Over all. I like it. Really nice bike. It is on this list.
Post by: F4? on May 12, 2010, 07:49:05 PM
Post by: mynameismud on June 01, 2010, 08:50:51 PM
I think I like the small RIP 9 over the large. I will say the RIP climbs well. I think it would have climbed better with a different rear tire. This bike is an absolute blast going down and it is a rare day I feel this good going off of drops and jumps. It is a bit heavy on the steep sustained climbs which makes me wonder if this is the bike. But, going down, wow.
For Downieville this bike would be a lot of fun.
On the trails with switchbacks it did not seem to handicap me in any way which surprised me a bit.
Over all I have to rate it fairly high. My conditioning isn't very good and I survived some of the climbs better than I thought I would so who knows.
I had fun on this bike.
Post by: mynameismud on June 21, 2010, 12:15:26 PM
Rented a Medium RIP 9 on a last minute decision after working most of Saturday. Called up Tread and verified they had a Medium RIP. Mudworm was on a Coe ride the weather was beautiful. I was supposed to wait for her to return then go to the gym. I guess I was just looking for an excuse.
After picking up the RIP drove up to ECDM up on Skyline. Rode about 25 miles. The one thing I got out of this ride is this bike goes downhill very well and is quite capable in rocky situations. I consistently to do better on the RIP on my first try than I do on my personal bike.
I like it. Rode up Manzanita twice, down Manzanita once, Down Steam Donkey, Cross Over, Cross Cut, etc.
Thankfully Mudworm did not come backup early looking for a gym partner. She did get home before I did but barely.
Sunday 13 June
Demo. The first part of the ride went very well. Rode up the road then some obscure trail with bacon in the name which was very fun. Next took ridge trail and managed to get in a couple of good jumps before flatting. Took Sawpit down since it is the shortest got in one more good jump.
Pushed before, with the help of others, decided to try and use a 26'r tube. That is when I found the pinch flat. I thought was the stem. Lesson learned.
Rode up Sulfur then down Brail.
Conclusion: This is a good bike for Demo. Hmm, is it a good bike for Coe?
Post by: squiddo on June 21, 2010, 03:55:47 PM
Post by: mynameismud on June 22, 2010, 04:58:32 AM
If I did not do my homework the decision would be so much easier.
Post by: squiddo on June 22, 2010, 07:39:45 AM
Post by: mynameismud on June 22, 2010, 08:24:51 AM
Post by: skully on June 23, 2010, 01:10:20 PM
You know why? Easy.....I'm poor.
Simplifies everything. Good luck! :)
Post by: mynameismud on June 23, 2010, 09:28:55 PM
Post by: Delbomber on June 24, 2010, 07:31:50 AM
Post by: F4? on June 24, 2010, 09:29:24 AM
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Are you ever going to pull the trigger and buy a bike? I think you enjoy the hunt more than you do riding. LOL
Yah, I remeber it took him forever to decide on what he's riding today. Shit, if he can't decide on what bike to how does he decide on what shirt to wear?
Post by: squiddo on June 24, 2010, 03:51:20 PM
Yah, I remeber it took him forever to decide on what he's riding today. Shit, if he can't decide on what bike to how does he decide on what shirt to wear?
Easy, use your technique and wear the same one worn yesterday. ;D
Post by: mynameismud on June 24, 2010, 05:26:34 PM
Grabbing a shirt is easy since I already own them. If I had 6 bikes it would be easy to figure out which one to ride.
Post by: F4? on June 24, 2010, 09:20:41 PM
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If I had 6 bikes it would be easy to figure out which one to ride.What's so hard? A bike is a thingy with 2x wheels...
Post by: skully on June 25, 2010, 05:55:15 PM
Inquirin' minds, and all that. ???
Cheers.
Post by: F4? on June 25, 2010, 07:05:12 PM
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Sojah get a new bike yet?
You'd think, but that would be too easy.
Post by: mynameismud on June 25, 2010, 07:37:19 PM
Sojah get a new bike yet?
Inquirin' minds, and all that. ???
Cheers.
Post by: mynameismud on August 02, 2010, 01:54:34 PM
429 Demo Coe 10k and Water Dog. Bit the bullet and paid the demo fee to take a 429. I rode both Water Dog and Coe. I like the 429. Not as plush as the RIP but a bit lighter. The 29r's do shine on fireroads and rough bumpity bump trails. After these two rides I am convinced I will go the way of the 29er. Aluminum is a bit harsher that carbon when it comes to vibration but it is also more durable. This is one stiff frame.
Post by: F4? on August 02, 2010, 03:31:26 PM
Post by: squiddo on August 02, 2010, 04:10:18 PM
Post by: F4? on August 02, 2010, 04:54:56 PM
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After these two rides I am convinced I will go the way of the 29er.
I will sleep much better tonight knowing this.
Post by: mynameismud on August 02, 2010, 04:57:02 PM
Post by: mynameismud on August 02, 2010, 07:56:42 PM
Anthem X 425 mm
Tallboy 444.6 mm
Epic comp 448 mm
Jet9 450 mm
Superfly 100 452mm
Hifi Plus 452 mm
Rocky Mountain Altitude 29 452.1 mm
Rip9 455 mm
Pivot 429 455.93 mm
Titus Rockstar 457.2 mm
Lenz Leviathan 457.2 mm
Moots mooto xz 462.28 mm
Turner Sultan 462.28 mm
Post by: mudworm on August 03, 2010, 09:07:05 AM
Post by: mynameismud on August 03, 2010, 09:46:21 AM
Post by: F4? on August 03, 2010, 02:33:21 PM
:madman:
Post by: mudworm on August 03, 2010, 04:51:29 PM
Post by: mynameismud on August 03, 2010, 05:34:57 PM
Was very fortunate to be included in a demo but a friend of Mudworms. I owe this person a huge Thank you. I would never have Demo'd the Moots on my own. I just would not have thought of it.
This demo was of two 29er's. One Pivot 429 one Moots Mooto xz.
This was interesting in that the suspensions are of opposites. DW-LInk which is firm efficient platform and the Moots which is single pivot which is considered inefficient but supple. They both have benifits the Moots was active on the climbs one of which was rocky so I felt the Moots was a bit smoother rolling up some stuff.
The Moots was also faster steering than the Pivot. I think the Pivot would be a bit more stable when going real fast. The steering on the Moots tracks well when going slow. The Pivot was not quite as responsive.
The Moots seemed lighter and I was able to J-Hop a bit easier over a couple of objects since the suspension was easier to load.
Both bikes are very nice. The craftsmanship of the Moots is just beautiful.
Post by: mynameismud on August 03, 2010, 05:42:18 PM
Am I the only one that feels this way?????
:madman:
Post by: mynameismud on November 21, 2010, 05:06:28 PM
Ended up going with the Santa Cruz 29er. The last two contestants were the RIP 9 and the SC. The RIP was plush and just absolutely bomber but the SC was a lighter and just seemed faster. For what ever reason I still have aspirations to do a couple of big rides so I went with the SC. For long XC rides I think the SC is the best tool for the job.
I have managed to get a bit of air off of a couple of jumps and so far it feels good. For the first time in close to a year I managed to get in front of Mudworm so that says something. Although I must say she has not been riding all that much. She is still riding strong when it gets steep though.
Have only done three rides and they were all about 5 miles long. So it is a bit difficult to really say, but so far I really like the bike.
I had decided that the two items that I wanted on the bike were a Rock Shox fork and a Rock Shox shock. The fork is a bit more supple than the Fox and the shock has a bit more platform yet still remains supple in the bumps.
Here's a pic of the bike after the first wash. The third ride was a bit muddy.
(http://www.mudncrud.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=54380&g2_serialNumber=2)
Post by: F4? on November 21, 2010, 05:36:15 PM
Post by: mynameismud on November 21, 2010, 07:28:38 PM
Post by: squiddo on November 22, 2010, 09:50:54 AM
Post by: mynameismud on November 22, 2010, 02:27:38 PM
Isn't it bad form to publicly announce the name of your mistress?
Post by: squiddo on November 22, 2010, 02:29:04 PM
::)
Post by: mynameismud on November 22, 2010, 06:48:18 PM
Post by: squiddo on November 23, 2010, 03:18:14 PM
Post by: mungeclimber on November 23, 2010, 04:18:10 PM
Not yet.
Isn't it bad form to publicly announce the name of your mistress?
only in the U.S. or at least until your are subpoena'd by congress...
Post by: F4? on November 23, 2010, 04:54:20 PM
Post by: squiddo on November 23, 2010, 04:56:38 PM
I like carrots!
are you a spambot
Post by: F4? on November 23, 2010, 05:00:42 PM
Post count +1
Post by: squiddo on November 23, 2010, 05:05:43 PM
I like carrots
Post count +1
+1- broke 1300. That is all...gym callith
Post by: F4? on November 23, 2010, 05:13:10 PM
Post by: F4? on November 23, 2010, 05:17:01 PM
Just saying...
Post by: mynameismud on November 23, 2010, 07:04:00 PM
Post by: mudworm on November 27, 2010, 02:44:28 PM
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Despite having issue with the name -- Tallboy -- that's the Santa Cruz 29er, Erik pulled the trigger. Finally!!! His search lasted for more than a year. I'm not talking about half hearted search. He was reading about 29er's almost every night! So, I was more than relieved when he brought the Tallboy home (yeah, I have no issue with the name at all).
It was an agonizingly long day-- a Wednesday -- for him when he bought the bike because he still had to work. But as soon as he got home, after Mango inspected it, he went out for a night ride.
On Friday morning, I offered to go to Skeggs with him early morning before work to take some action shots. Well, it was a misty day. At the famous, photogenic 180 degree turn on Manzanita Trail, this is all I could get:
But the mist seems to add some special effect that we normally don't get. I call it a mysterious feel like this one on Lower Fir:
Even though there was no standing mud puddle at all, the soil got just enough moisture that it was most sticky. After the ride, I gave the Tallboy a sponge bathe (and did not miss any skin) to get rid of the mud. It took me half an hour!
On Thanksgiving Day, a beautiful sunny but crisp day, we went back to Skeggs for a short ride before heading over to our friends' place for dinner. I did get a clean shot at the 180 degree turn, but I'm not Charlie, so the photo left a lot to be desired.
The short ride turned out to be not so short after all. Erik got obsessed with helping a fellow rider fixing his broken chain (we didn't have any power link or connection pin). Took a while, but it was a success story in the end.
On our way home, I told Erik that we should just leave the bikes in my CR-V since we would be going to Coe for a ride the next day. We should just take his FIT to go to the party. He protested.
-E: I don't want to leave the bike in the car over night all dark, cold, and lonely...
-M: Don't worry, my FTM will be in there as company. Think about it, it'll be cozy. How does that song go? "Just you and me..." Maybe in the middle of the night, the car will start rocking.... hahaha...
-E: ...Then someday, we might end up having a 20" BMX bike. Okay!
-M: Hmmm... wouldn't that be cute?
Post by: squiddo on November 27, 2010, 05:58:23 PM
Post by: F4? on November 27, 2010, 09:18:31 PM
Is he wearing capris??? ??? ???
Post by: F'ueco on November 28, 2010, 07:56:40 AM