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Masters of Mud -- Pinnacles / Re: July, 2021, West Side Fire
« Last post by F4? on Yesterday at 04:31:32 PM »
Is Waldo’s pack really a cooler?
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Masters of Mud -- Pinnacles / Re: July, 2021, West Side Fire
« Last post by clink on Yesterday at 01:30:58 PM »

 Waldo, you always bring the beer, and somehow keep it chilled.

 I thought bringing a rake would make us look Northern European.
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Masters of Mud -- Pinnacles / Re: July, 2021, West Side Fire
« Last post by F4? on August 02, 2021, 09:33:46 PM »
Clink, it all starts with a rabbit going from one area to the next.
Deer sees the small path and says hey this is not bad.
Deer being how they are, once they like a path, they use it.

Then the native Americans find the path, not bad, gets them through.

Then some jackass from back East is shown the path and bring settlers over.

Next thing you know it’s a dirt road and then paved.
Final phase, HOV lane is added.

Klink, glad to hear you are getting out, but not lost.


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Masters of Mud -- Pinnacles / Re: July, 2021, West Side Fire
« Last post by JC w KC redux on August 02, 2021, 04:29:44 PM »
^^^
Not worried about hot air either.
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Masters of Mud -- Pinnacles / Re: July, 2021, West Side Fire
« Last post by waldo on August 02, 2021, 10:10:23 AM »
Thanks for the laughs clink and for an encore waldo.



I still think they should rename CA the Tinder Box state. I hear "they" are coming for "our" pork and natural gas soon.


If they want my bacon, they'll have to pry it from my cold, dead fingers. Don't worry about the natural gas, JC. Some of us on this forum have access to an unlimited supply.
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Masters of Mud -- Pinnacles / Re: July, 2021, West Side Fire
« Last post by JC w KC redux on August 02, 2021, 08:21:38 AM »

Thanks for the laughs clink and for an encore waldo.

Thanks to you too Gavin, for your in-depth expertise.

My ignorance is exceeded only by my enthusiasm, which for the last 6 months has been at an all time low.

I usually just try to keep my mouth shut. Every once in a while something slips out.
It's nice to know an ill-informed or poorly learned comment can elicit a gold nugget.

I still think they should rename CA the Tinder Box state. I hear "they" are coming for "our" pork and natural gas soon.
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Masters of Mud -- Pinnacles / Re: July, 2021, West Side Fire
« Last post by waldo on August 02, 2021, 07:41:50 AM »
Thanks, Gavin! I was wondering if you have any information about the Juniper Canyon fire. I recall it happening about fifty years ago. It was fairly extensive, but all traces disappeared within ten years. 

Clink, we should have a stomach muscle flexing contest. I'll bring the beer.
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Masters of Mud -- Pinnacles / Re: July, 2021, West Side Fire
« Last post by Brad Young on August 02, 2021, 06:43:16 AM »
^^^

Lots of things have contributed to your delirium. But we've known that.

Gavin, great report and analysis. Thanks.

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Masters of Mud -- Pinnacles / Re: July, 2021, West Side Fire
« Last post by clink on August 02, 2021, 06:23:27 AM »
 Thanks Gavin for that info and your take!

 I wondered about a remote game trail I saw last year, heading to a a small seep with a puddle of water that the bees were using(or yellow jackets). What I'm referring to as a "game trail", seemed more established and defined than most and led shortly to an impenetrable stand of chaparral.

 Initially, using my skills as a highly untrained "Unaturalist", I thought the growth became so thick as eventually to block the poor game from using the path(Evil fire suppressioneers!). If that being the case, the path would continue on through the grove, which I did not explore. There is also the possibility that a few of the smaller game trails merge at that point to form a larger trail or that the wider trail wasn't formed by game, perhaps by erosion or other causes.

 The heat, my being not in the best of shape so far from established trails, breaking my belt from over flexing my stomach muscle, and my worry of about not having enough water and keeping my pants up, may have contributed to delirium and slight misinterpretations of reality.

 You should go out there with me Gavin to study the path and chaparral growth. Please bring a small rake, for uncovering evidence.
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Masters of Mud -- Pinnacles / Re: July, 2021, West Side Fire
« Last post by mungeclimber on August 01, 2021, 04:16:46 PM »
Thx Gavin. Saw your pic on SAR post on Pinns FB page. Good stuff! Huge thx to SAR teams!

Your discussion of the fire regimes makes sense. Oddly enough though, I think that the longer drier season of conifer forests makes it easier to burn more acreage than in the past. As that acreage approaches a higher risk profile for residents that continue to live in the forest, the social pressure on forest managers to do 'full suppression' is coming back. 
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