Author Topic: An Almost Finished Project: "Cover Girl"  (Read 15969 times)

lasher

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Re: An Almost Finished Project: "Cover Girl"
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2012, 08:51:49 PM »
Nicely summed up.

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Re: An Almost Finished Project: "Cover Girl"
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2012, 10:48:09 PM »
congrats.
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Re: An Almost Finished Project: "Cover Girl"
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2012, 08:25:22 AM »
good stuff
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Bruce Hildenbrand

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Re: An Almost Finished Project: "Cover Girl"
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2012, 09:11:55 PM »
Looks like that's a wedge bolt going in on the route.  I am not a big fan of wedge bolts at the Pinnacles because of the soft rock so I use 5-piece Rawls/Powers bolts.  How do others feel about the use of wedge bolts?

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Re: An Almost Finished Project: "Cover Girl"
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2012, 09:33:23 PM »
agree with Bruce
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Re: An Almost Finished Project: "Cover Girl"
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2012, 10:08:40 PM »
Looks like that's a wedge bolt going in on the route.  I am not a big fan of wedge bolts at the Pinnacles because of the soft rock so I use 5-piece Rawls/Powers bolts.  How do others feel about the use of wedge bolts?

The one shown in the photo is a wedge bolt (not a compression bolt like what was placed a lot in the 70s and 80s). In this case it's a 3" by 3/8" Hilti, stainless steel.

I rarely place them in Pinns rock because they are shorter than what I usually use - the long stainless Rawls.

But, where a hole is really good, I'll use them. That hole and two others on this route were really good (one was an anchor bolt). For example, none of the three holes in which we placed these bolts "cratered" more than a millimeter (how often does that happen in Pinns rock?). Each tightened beautifully with less than a full turn of the nut. In other words, in a good hole, their wedge action is excellent, very tight. I'm very satisfied that, in the right hole, they're as good as Rawls.

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Re: An Almost Finished Project: "Cover Girl"
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2012, 11:47:24 PM »
Brad,

yup!  I have drilled a few holes which were totally solid so maybe a wedge anchor is OK.  I just hate to see these as the standard at the Pinns.  They are way cheaper than the Rawls (SS or plated for that matter) so the temptation to use them all the time is great especially if one is on a budget.

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Re: An Almost Finished Project: "Cover Girl"
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2012, 08:47:00 AM »
agree with Bruce.  Slippery slope.
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Re: An Almost Finished Project: "Cover Girl"
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2012, 09:32:01 AM »
I'm a fan of both and have taken numerous falls on each type at Pinnacles. I've seen issues with both, most recently Brad and I had an issue with a Rawl not actuating at all. But it might have been into a hollow spot or the hole disentegrated from wihthin.  The most scary thing Ive seen was with a Rawl bolt on Foreplay. At the crux bolt (exiting the scoop) which is far to the left of all the other bolts. The repeated action of the hanger getting pulled in a counter-clockwise direction had loosened the bolt so only a few millimeters of threads were still engaged.  I went there to replace the metolius hanger which was heavily bent from numerous falls taken when the hanger was oriented in a horizontal direction. This issue of not being able to see how engaged the threads are into the cone is an issue for me. You don't have that issue with a wedge type bolt. But then look at the 2rd bolt of Future Shock which is a wedge and has been spinning in it's hole for years.