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Re: The PCT Volume 25: Grand Views and the Propane Incident
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2015, 04:06:57 PM »

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My bro brought home 500lbs of "samples" from college.

luckily my dad drove up to AK and back so the freight home was cheap. But it nearly killed my dad unloading his truck!!
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Re: The PCT Volume 25: Grand Views and the Propane Incident
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2015, 07:13:11 PM »
OK, here's the story on the propane incident.  

I was trying to screw the propane bottle onto the regulator but the threads would just start to catch before it pressed down on the release valve on the propane bottle.  This caused propane gas and liquid to spew out onto the table.  Sharon was cooking on her stove on the other side of the table and the gas in the air ignited.  It sent up a huge fireball that singed a lot of hair on both Sharon and me.  

The threads propane bottle had caught enough that gas was still spraying out the top of the propane tank and the picnic table was on fire!  After the fear of the fireball had warn off the thought of the picnic table going up in flames became a concern.  I grabbed the other side of the stove and dragged it over to the fire pit where it continued to burn for the next 10 minutes.  Needles, to say that was the end for the stove.

A little online research showed that this has become a common problem in the last year with Coleman propane bottles.  Several people contacted Coleman and there response was, "its not our problem."  The propane bottles are made by a company called Worthington but are labeled Coleman.  The tread on the bottle are very blunt instead of nice and sharp.  This causes threading problems which can cause the leaking propane problem. Beware, this could happen to you.

 

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Re: The PCT Volume 25: Grand Views and the Propane Incident
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2015, 07:55:55 PM »
Glad you guys are okay.
We use those bottles but our stove is a simple single burner and the tank stays on it.
I'll still be keeping my face back while lighting it though with that image singed in my brain!
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Re: The PCT Volume 25: Grand Views and the Propane Incident
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2015, 08:17:36 PM »

A little online research showed that this has become a common problem in the last year with Coleman propane bottles.  Several people contacted Coleman and there response was, "its not our problem."


That's a really short term, stupid response on their part. It takes ten times as long to repair a damaged reputation as it does to damage it in the first place.

I think I'd win a bet that you'll never buy one of those canisters again. And maybe you'll even think twice about another Coleman stove.  Theirs is a dumb, dumb, dumb attitude.

As to the incident itself, I think Sharon's stove (the ignition source for the propane that blew) was between three and four feet away from the Dawson's stove that Steve was working on. None of us thought that the being-spewed propane blowing up was even a possibility.


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Re: The PCT Volume 25: Grand Views and the Propane Incident
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2015, 06:28:34 AM »
Scary and his air looks trimmed.

At the MoM I kept smelling something while cooking....then I realized the other knob was open! But no file.

Yeah, I never liked them small bottles.

I got lucky, when my brother and I bought a stove from the Mtn Shop in the meadows. They also had a 1 gallon small propane bottle. So I don't have to mess with the small bottles.

And I found them (everyone I know has wanted one, but no luck finding them...until now:
http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/refillable-steel-propane-cylinders-4-5-lb-1-gal-/56052

Very safe, and I can use with my BBQ.
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Re: The PCT Volume 25: Grand Views and the Propane Incident
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2015, 08:12:35 AM »
I usually put these PCT posts up on Supertopo a few days after I put them up here.

One person on Supertopo, "apogee," has been very supportive of the thread there. He did the PCT in the '80s and his description of how it was and how it was done then are funny, informative and interesting.

I posted the following on the thread there, for him. I thought that, at least, the photos would get a laugh here too. Here's what I posted there:

This post is for apogee.

I've never forgotten your comments early on this thread about your hike of the PCT. Your experience of the trail back in the 1980s was very different than ours has been; the trail itself wasn't what it is now, and methods and equipment were quite different from those we've used on this trip.

All of this came back to my memory about two months ago. My wife found a book then at a garage sale. She bought it for me for $1.00. It was published by National Geographic in 1975:




It's a cool book. I read it cover to cover over our recent three-day trip. As one might expect from National Geo, it's well written and contains great photos.

Some of these photos show how different methods and equipment really were:




Now that guy in the photo above isn't you apogee, but can you honestly say that your pack and your clothes were a lot different when you did the trail?

Here's another very revealing shot. This was taken in the southern Sierra. The young lady shown is well into multi-day backpack. She's wearing old Adidas shoes and jeans!? Jeans in the back country?




But apogee's description of the southern part of the trail is what's really stuck in my mind for all this time. When this book was written (and I think when apogee did the trail), parts of the PCT weren't even established yet. Here's the "San Filipe Hills" section of the "trail," in San Diego County (it's Highway 2 itself - when we passed through there we hiked a real trail in the hills about three miles east of the highway):




And perhaps the part of the book that hit me the most was a map. A map of the northern Mojave and Southern Sierra parts of the trail. Apogee described hiking up Jawbone Canyon north of Tehachapi, whereas we drove up that canyon in order to reach a PCT that traversed the mountains above it. Well look at the "temporary" PCT route on the National Geo map from 1975 - right up Jawbone Canyon:




The map also shows the temporary trail going out into the Mojave, way down and hotter then where the permanent trail now goes! Hot, hot, hot!

Anyway, I thought these photos would maybe bring back a few memories. They certainly brought your early posts straight back to my mind.

And, by the way, I'm laughing with you apogee, not at you. I suspect that I am five or so years younger than you; but in my early days I backpacked like that. I used a metal frame pack. And I wore cut off jeans as (normal length) shorts too.



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Re: The PCT Volume 25: Grand Views and the Propane Incident
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2015, 12:26:12 PM »
Sheesh, they could have straightened out the trail a little bit??


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Re: The PCT Volume 25: Grand Views and the Propane Incident
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2015, 06:20:54 AM »
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This causes threading problems which can cause the leaking propane problem. Beware, this could happen to you.

 I noticed the difficulty, try and find a good lawyer and sue.
 Glad your OK.
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Re: The PCT Volume 25: Grand Views and the Propane Incident
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2015, 03:22:29 PM »

Got my reading material ready for next week's PCT trip:





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Re: The PCT Volume 25: Grand Views and the Propane Incident
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2015, 06:03:22 PM »
Just finished 92 miles in seven days. Dawsons joined us for the first four days. Cooks joined us the last three. Heading home now. Hot. Smelly. Very happy.

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Re: The PCT Volume 25: Grand Views and the Propane Incident
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2015, 05:42:32 AM »
Brain fart=no day pack.

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Just finished 92 miles in seven days. Dawsons joined us for the first four days. Cooks joined us the last three. Heading home now. Hot. Smelly. Very happy.

Better unsmell yourself.
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Re: The PCT Volume 25: Grand Views and the Propane Incident
« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2015, 06:16:51 AM »
Done, we're home, unstunk and up and about.

(We got by without the pack.)