What is the story behind????

[Uncle Stinky]

this name  "You Climb That Hill No Matter How Step But You Still ain't Goin' Nowhere"

Cool name just wondering how the name came about?

[mynameismud]

Jack knows.

[Brad Young]

Yes, Jack knows. I've got to run to court. I'll post up the full story when I have time.

[Uncle Stinky]

Thanks and good luck in court!

[skully]

Sounds like one I'd like to hear(read), also. WOOT!

[Uncle Stinky]

bump   Still curious? 

[Brad Young]

bump   Still curious? 

Funny you should bring this up now. Three weeks ago I posted the answer to this question when Bruce commented that I might want to check with Jack Holmgren about a specific route name's spelling. Here's what I said in that response:

"Jack and I went over all of his routes and route names (in the course of more than 60 emails back and forth) before the 2007 book came out. As an example, look at route #551, which had a much simpler - and I think better - name in the last Rubine guide (David had made up the name "Prelude" for this route, and Jack wouldn't let it stay at that because it wasn't what they'd called it, even though I begged him to leave it at the simple name)."

The route David called "Prelude" was named (by the first ascentionists) "You Climb That Hill No Matter How Steep But You Still Ain't Goin' Nowhere."

So that's at least how the name got into the 2007 guidebook. I have no idea how they derived the name (Jack may have told me, but I don't recall).

[JC w KC redux]

Sounds like an Acrimonious Divorce - which would fit better with the other route names and approximately encapsulate the same meaning.

signed,

the route name hijacker

[clink]

Again ? Hijacking more routes.?

[waldo]

Jack wanted me to give this one a shot and was concerned, rightfully so, that I wouldn't be able to figure it out without help.  He sent me a super-detailed topo of the crux moves which remains the single most mysterious communication I've ever received. 

[Brad Young]

Jack wanted me to give this one a shot and was concerned, rightfully so, that I wouldn't be able to figure it out without help.  He sent me a super-detailed topo of the crux moves which remains the single most mysterious communication I've ever received.  

Holy crap, I remember seeing that!! It was like the detailed topo that Factor posted up for Between A Rock and A Hard Place, but with virtually every move choreographed on it. It looked almost like a foreign language - indecipherable.

Did you show that to me or did he?

[F4?]

sheesh, can I help it if I don't have the tools and am trying to recollect something from 4yrs ago...

I'll enlarge it @ work.

[Brad Young]

sheesh, can I help it if I don't have the tools and am trying to recollect something from 4yrs ago...

I'll enlarge it @ work.

No, your topo was simple and clear Factor. But imagine a topo made up of nothing but such super-detailed information. Literally every move for 30 feet or so. That's what Jack prepared.

[mungeclimber]

huh, a SUPER detailed topo?

That's a good idea.

Maybe I should start a print business for SUPER detailed topos, maybe start with a bigwall topos book.

[clink]

"I'll enlarge it @ work."

Hope you are self employed

[clink]

I like your idea Munge. Even a 1 pitch at Pinns could get a 500 word Roperesque description with an exhaustively detailed topo to accompany it. The next guidebook will be 5 volumes without JC's specific geology descriptions.

Try a sample/example.

We could sell copies to Aaron for big$$ to add to his library.

[mungeclimber]

I'm in.

First we start with Chapter 1 - Waking up

or maybe Chapter 1  -  Preplanning the trip to Pinns


1. check to see what everyone else is doing first
2. figure out if you want to deal with your project this weekend or just have fun
3. Do you want to deal with people?
4. let people know you're interested
5. tell them you will bring limes
6. If rejected on the basis of limes, go solo and work on project.
7. check weather
8. Only go to pins in the winter, so likely weather is 20%. Go anyway.
9. 40% chance, get more limes
10. take Monday off, drive to the desert where the forecast is better
11. begin Chapter 2 - actual planning of pins trip

[Brad Young]

"...If rejected on the basis of limes…"

Dude what fantasy-land are you living in? It's WHEN.

As in "WHEN rejected on the basis of limes."

[F4?]

Well after my stint climbing the "usual suspects" with Joe way back one could say that I had a climb or 2 pretty well dialed in.

Some of the holds and moves are still vivid memories that I doubt my body could handle...

As to Chapter 1...what about beer??

[waldo]

Holy crap, I remember seeing that!! It was like the detailed topo that Factor posted up for Between A Rock and A Hard Place, but with virtually every move choreographed on it. It looked almost like a foreign language - indecipherable.

Did you show that to me or did he?

I don't recall, but I think it was me.  I have the original somewhere.  It might make a good addition to a future edition of the guidebook.  It reminds me of one of those footprint charts you put on the floor to learn how to dance the tango. I can't do that either.