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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #40 on: November 17, 2011, 08:27:58 PM »
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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2011, 08:36:00 PM »
There's only one Mucci....

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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #42 on: November 17, 2011, 09:07:43 PM »
Somehow the link to Matt's photos didn't come through on what he copy/pasted. I just re-reviewed the photos that he linked me in his first email. They show the route while it was in process. Three photos show him drilling the first bolt on lead. Here's the link, which I think he meant to have come through:

http://gallery.me.com/mfooter#100061

There are no photos of the second bolt going in, but it would make the most sense that it went in the same way. And how could one possibly rap bolt in the anchor bolts when they're located under the roof?

I think the confusion about rap bolting may have come from Cobbledik's photo labeling. In his photo he labels the anchor bolts "rap bolts," as in bolts from which one rappels.

I don't favor the position of the anchor bolts, but I think it's clearly not a route that was put in on rappel.

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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #43 on: November 17, 2011, 09:27:44 PM »
On that subject of using real names: I use mine (obviously) and I think it is a good idea - one that makes it harder to be a jerk while posting. Some people choose not to do so tough and they may have good reasons. It may be paranoia on their parts, but I think that at least two posters use aliases because of where they work. If I worked for either of the companies they work for, I wouldn't use my real name either.

In each case though, this forum's population is small enough that they wouldn't get away with anonymously being a jerk. Said another way, when they're jerks we know who they are.

Keep that in mind Rob.  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #44 on: November 17, 2011, 09:30:14 PM »
Nope, not gonna my name Eric
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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #45 on: November 18, 2011, 07:44:33 AM »
I do not post my name since I am not real.
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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #46 on: November 18, 2011, 12:36:42 PM »
Damn, I've been edited!

 
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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #47 on: November 26, 2011, 10:05:55 PM »
I lead Straight Up today as the FA'ists intended, and finished on the anchor bolts and lowered. I intend to go back and lead the line straight to the roof, then finish on Roof's anchors. I'm not trying to make an advocate statement with my observations either to pull or leave them at this time. I reserve any judgement.



Some thoughts:

-I don't harbor ill will toward Matt or Greg. In fact, they are both nice guys when I have talked to them in the gym, and in Greg's case I've climbed with him and talked to him offthread.

-The climbing moves that are protected by the lead bolts are good moves with reaches between good edges.

-The route is only over a "Climber Access" trail, not the NPS designated "High Peaks" trail. Hikers only inadvertently go that way if they are lost. There is a warning placard indicating a danger of falling rock on the sign post.

-The anchor bolts are in fact placed in the middle of the traverse for an existing line called "Roof."  "Roof" is rated 5.10a in the 2007 guide.

-Placing bolts on an existing line is retrobolting. Retrobolting, when done without the consent of the FA party, if one of them is still alive, is not consistent with the tradition of deferring to the FA party on where protection should be placed where the original route was done ground up. Pinnacles is such an area where there is a great deal of respect for those that have gone before.

-The anchor bolts are in fact bolted next to what is otherwise a protectable crack.

-"Roof" has chains at the end of the traverse. "Roof" continues to the top of the formation.

-The old pitons appeared to be unreliable. One exhibiting some cracking. I did not bounce test either of them.

-The lead bolts on Straight Up are placed well in what appears to be solid holes.

-The opening moves up to the first baby roof are loose.

-The flake that the person is yarding on in the pic is hollow and fractured. Gear behind that flake is not advised. I lead directly to the first bolt without supplemental gear.

-The lead climbing moves after the second lead bolt, felt to me, like it naturally ascends up directly under the anchor bolts (i.e. the natural weakness). Going right from the second lead bolt seemed insecure due to a flake that is fractured all along the backside and the holds being fewer and further between. If the flake holds, the moves are do-able that way as well, but perhaps at a more difficult rating than 5.8.

-Connecting Straight Up to finish on Roof is do-able. The stance where you clip the anchor bolts is not so far from the traverse crack that you can't place gear.



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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #48 on: November 29, 2011, 03:49:02 PM »
kind of interesting, walking up last Saturday there was a group of less experienced climbers lined up to do this route when I arrived...later on, I was in the process of putting up a rope for another group of newer climbers on the kiss, literally cutting the brand new draws from the packages, racking up when I checked their rope that I was about to lead on, which looked suspiciously short, turned out it was 37 meters, so instead I sent them and their short rope to Straight up, which they seemed to enjoy...whether or not if should have been put up, the thing is getting some traffic...

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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2011, 04:11:25 PM »
Give it a few months and none of us will really care about Straight Up anymore.

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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2011, 09:24:54 PM »
Damn Joe, that was close.

Thought you were tired of disco wall.
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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #51 on: December 04, 2011, 08:25:08 PM »
always love disco wall, like a party out there today, brought the tunage and adult beverages, posse from the cruz, good times....but to the thread, ended the day on Straight Up, and still agree that the rap anchors should not be in the middle of an established route, the moves, albeit short, were surprisingly fun...

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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #52 on: December 04, 2011, 09:04:22 PM »
There goes the crag! Damn sc folk always partying.

I'm alpine training....stay up all night...chage diper...lay down and repeat. Then chase other on all day long.
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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2011, 08:53:31 AM »
congratulations Erik, details please?

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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2011, 09:19:36 AM »
There goes the crag! Damn sc folk always partying.

I'm alpine training....stay up all night...chage diper...lay down and repeat. Then chase other on all day long.

yeah, something you want to tell us?
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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2011, 12:57:38 PM »
Give it a few months and none of us will really care about Straight Up anymore.

lo,, I already don't
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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #56 on: December 05, 2011, 01:03:06 PM »
yeah, something you want to tell us?

OK, I may be stealing thunder here but..... Erik had another kid. There, I said it and it's out there so it must be true.

Funny thing, I sent him a text last week asking him if he was a daddy again. The response he sent me was classically un-Erik. Mainly it was short ("yes") and without errors for spelling and grammar.

I'm still waiting for pictures. Its like he is busy or something:-)

Congrats buddy.
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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2011, 01:14:32 PM »
Yeah, was hoping he was going to post up some on topic baby pics, congrats E!

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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2011, 02:15:48 PM »
In due time pics will be posted as I've been a bit busy.

But yes, another future pinnacles climber!
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Re: New route on right side of Discovery Wall?
« Reply #59 on: December 05, 2011, 07:03:31 PM »
I have never climbed Roof, but have eyed it for years.  It is on my "list" and have looked forward to leading it.

I have to say, I'm not drawn to the original route with the anchors there.   I value the classic, historical, natural line FAR more than another bolted face and anchors that now define the climb(s).

The anchors have effectively removed the original route.  I say the anchors need to go.