Author Topic: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures  (Read 79414 times)

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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2013, 09:03:22 AM »
Brad, I would be carefull with assuming the gender of Shawn.

Shawn, If I harassed Rosie it was with good intentions. But I might have seen this as an opportunity to get back at her for asking me if I'd passed a lead test after I blew a clip on the 13b at the gym and took a huge whipper in front of the lead test she was administering. But now I wear a belay card while leading while she still denies raptor closures exist.

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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2013, 09:05:09 AM »

Brad, I would be carefull with assuming the gender of Shawn.


Oh. I guess I wouldn't be as careful. But I should have been. Sorry Shawn if I got it wrong.

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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2013, 09:14:06 AM »
Oh. I guess I wouldn't be as careful. But I should have been. Sorry Shawn if I got it wrong.

Okay it was Rosie and two guys - although anyone can be a dude in SC!
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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2013, 11:03:56 AM »
So yes I am a male! No I'm not from Santa Cruz! I don't know anybody on this site personally and therefore do not have a problem with anyone on here. I came here to present and defend our side of the story. We do understand now that there are closures and will abide by them. I apologize if I've offended anybody and didn't come in here to start a personal vendetta

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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2013, 11:15:23 AM »

I apologize if I've offended anybody and didn't come in here to start a personal vendetta


Oh, no, you'll have to try much, much harder to offend here!

(We're all glued to the internet all day and we're used to the rough and tumble of this stuff  ;D  ;D  )

Stick with us Shawn!

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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2013, 11:47:52 AM »
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I don't know anybody on this site personally and therefore do not have a problem with anyone on here. I came here to present and defend our side of the story.

We're definitely on your side Shawn, the fact that you chose to climb at the pinnacles ata all makes you one of us on some level. But be forewarned if you come here enough you'll gain some pretty odd traits. And you'll eventually be recruited to be a full time poster here.

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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2013, 11:51:52 AM »
We're definitely on your side Shawn, the fact that you chose to climb at the pinnacles ata all makes you one of us on some level. But be forewarned if you come here enough you'll gain some pretty odd traits. And you'll eventually be recruited to be a full time poster here.

Yeah, take Adam as an example. He used to be a near-normal, nice young man. Look what he's turned into since he started posting here.

Crap, I'm out of the conversation from here - my friend Hope is gonna make me take the afternoon off to go climb.

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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2013, 12:05:24 PM »
my friend Hope is gonna make me take the afternoon off to go climb.

I need a friend like that!
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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2013, 02:15:05 PM »
Thanks Brad, it's good to keep it real.

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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2013, 02:52:24 PM »
Well it seems that the dude abides - nice!
Now that you're on here Shawn - you should come to the Rockpile and meet the crew.
I'll keep an eye out for you and your buddy and the big black dog.
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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2013, 03:37:21 PM »
it's good to keep it real.

even in a virtual world
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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2013, 03:47:45 PM »
Although welcoming Shawn is the only appropriate response, it bears reinforcing the fact that coming into a community guns blazing and defensive is an attitude that deserves, no, demands a response which I'm happy Brad did. Too many people in society seem to have no concept of how they appear based upon their own chosen actions. These sorts of things then lead to the deserved response and engender a confrontational attitude that denies the ability of either party to actually come to an understanding, which is the point of the post in the first place, right Shawn?

Online forum so who cares? The fact is that this behavior extends to the real world and amongst climbers as a user group, having this sort of knee-jerk attitude is something that can easily hurt climber/ranger relations and hurt the hard and long work that the members of this forum have developed over the years. After all, it's important to constantly ask yourself, why am I allowed to be a user group at this and any other park?

So, my contribution to this thread needs to be a question to Shawn; "Does it make sense to look at your own actions and access how it affects your own concerns? Why would you make a conscious or subconscious choice to hurt your own perspective with unwarranted and divisive action?"

The "other" always seems like the sole holder of fault and spite, but wisdom dictates that looking at your (and your tribe's) own choices in addition so that your life is filled with greater understanding and compromise rather than more conflict and misunderstanding.

Its the end of the school quarter so I'm pretty sensitive to this sort of thing because of all the kids and parents attacking first and learning about the full context of the issue second.

Back to witty comments and choss love now.

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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2013, 04:22:42 PM »
Cobble,
Yes you are getting at a common issue, especially with online forums where this behavior is often perpetuated. It is so easy to come here and hide behind a veil of anonymity that a screen name provides. It's fun and easy to provoke on here and to say abusive stuff you wouldn't say in person.

I also do understand how mad this group could be after finding out their actions were being discussed on an internet forum, without their knowledge.

But it's a known fact lots of people like to mess with Rosie because she handles her work strictly by the book, which is fine. She often doesn't realize it, because I'm such a practical joker and its often hard to tell when I'm messing with someone and when I'm serious. Which is another issue with these internet forums or electronic communications in general, misinterpretation of tone.

I'm glad this misinformational event happened as it has opened up some new and interesting dialogue for us.

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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2013, 04:37:47 PM »
yeah and there for a bit we thought they would have to ban Brad
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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2013, 04:53:38 PM »
I'm all for it, ban Brad, he's a horrible belayer and has no place here.

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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2013, 04:58:20 PM »
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I'm all for it, ban Brad, he's a horrible belayer and has no place here.

But he is the guide book author and demands respect...unless Rubine would sign in...


And there you have it Mr Mud, your vision has come true.. this is the place for Pinnacles information.
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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2013, 05:59:01 PM »
YEEHAW!!!!

Katie called me when I was out climbing: she heard from her dream college,  U.C.S.B. She's in, she got accepted. I am so happy for her and so DAMN PROUD. She's an awesome, awesome kid.

Go ahead and ban me now.

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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2013, 06:28:37 PM »
Wonderful!!!
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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2013, 06:50:15 PM »
Nice! now you just have to make sure she doesn't live in IV.

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Re: Disturbing Disinformation Re:Pinns Closures
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2013, 07:15:57 PM »
Nice! now you just have to make sure she doesn't live in IV.

No, I lived in I.V. when I was there and she'll no doubt live there too. I'm good with that. I think the struggle will be to make sure she doesn't end up as the dictator of I.V. ("I.V." is Isla Vista, the community/slum/vast set of apartments right next to campus - it's where most students live. It can be a pretty wild place).