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Breaking Barriers - something smells Fishy!
« on: May 12, 2013, 10:48:44 AM »
We had a great west side adventure yesterday.
I have been longing to do Old Original since I first saw the Mighty Machete.
I made a deal with KC that we would climb up the descent and learn that portion so there would be no surprises on the way down after a long day on Double O.
I figured if we were going to make the effort up the descent - we should climb Fish Breath Arete. KC and I have looked at it from the Old Pinnacles Trail and in the guidebook - her original reaction was "No Way!"
Long story short - KC has come a long way over the last year with regard to approaches, adventure/exploring and scrambling.

We started through the caves and after some initial confusion about exactly where to go up and over the ceiling boulders - we emerged from the caves, crossed the metal gangway and decided to head up the grassy slope. I had failed to copy the correct text for the Fish Breath approach and we didn't have the guidebook - just a few scanned pages. We followed the steep slope up to the base of a large formation and got confused again. I told KC to stay put while I worked my way down and across to see if I could figure out how to get us in the gully. I saw a big pine tree with a sling and a leaver biner, but I also started encountering outrageous amounts of poison oak. I headed back up to KC and we decided to follow along the base of the large formation. We carefully picked our way through and eventually made it into the gully. After some 4th class moves up through a boulder jumble, things became clearer and before long we were at the 4th class ledge. We roped up and I slung a couple shrubs/trees and a big knob to protect myself and KC across the ledge. I found the ledge to be pretty easy to cross but one false move and you're gone. We discussed before and after and agreed it just wasn't worth taking the chance. Once I was safely across and in the meadow, I saw a tree with two slings, 2 cords and a couple of leaver biners - which I assume is the tree people use to make the 2 rope rappel. I used that as my anchor for KC to come across.

Looking up at the arête I was damn intimidated but I was also determined.
We had a bit of shade at the base but then the climb was in full sun and it was getting hot. Now I rarely use chalk - but with the heat - today would be an exception. I dipped twice on the first pitch and that was it - once getting started and once before the groove. I knew that with only 10 bolts in 195 feet this would probably be pretty scary. Better have your head right for this one. I also knew the route got no stars and that usually means mediocre or downright nasty rock quality.
For me the crux was committing to and climbing through the groove.

JC way up (above the 6th bolt), stemmed out, committed and feelin' groovy...





First pitch done and KC followed clean and solid.
Someone had obviously led this pitch and then rapped - leaving tied runners and a single aluminum rap ring.
I left it intact and shook my head.
The end of my left big toe had been screaming on the first pitch, so I changed into my approach shoes before belaying KC up. Looking up at p2 I decided to leave them on. 4 bolts in 130 feet on what Brad describes as easy 5th class.
The part that "makes it" - as Brad says in the guidebook - the exposure and position.
I only wish I had some pics of us climbing this thing from the trail!

JC after the 2nd bolt on p2





The other thing that I really enjoyed was being able to see KC at the p1 belay from the p2 belay.





It was getting pretty toasty and I was feeling tired. I looked up at p3 and thought to myself - that shit is crazy!
To me it looked like a large version of the love child of Baby Bear & the 4th Sister's North Rib.
I seriously considered walking off to the left, but I knew I had to at least take a closer look at this thing.
When KC asked me the best way to rig her belay and I proceeded to show her - I said - "Okay - now that I did that - I HAVE TO climb this thing" :)
When I stepped up to the base it actually didn't look that bad. As I started up I could see the bolt way up there (35 feet) and a big patch of spider or cobwebs surrounding it. I stopped and took a pic.
After clipping that lonely bolt and moving up further, I quickly realized that KC would be just as exposed following this as I was leading it. I called down to let her know. I proceeded to take the wild ride over the "ride em cowboy" section and along the ridge to the belay. I did find a couple slingable features along the top to protect myself and my precious pard.
I could see a bunch of folks climbing on the Flumes far below.
I called to them but I doubt they could hear me.

JC on pitch 3





The only bummer about p3 was there was no way to get pics! I was really glad I did it afterwards - talk about exposure!
I overlooked the "obvious bolt w/rappel ring" and accidentally downclimbed and then climbed back up just to the right of pitch 6 of OO. When I got back up between the bumps and looked again - it was right in front of me! I guess I was looking for something down a bit since the route text said I needed to downclimb to get to it. You do downclimb a move or two, but it's more across than down. Classic overthinking the problem.

We headed down from the belay and found the descent anchor. It looked nothing like I imagined it. I guess I had this picture in my mind of a big square block sitting on top of the ridge with bolts on both sides (can't remember where I read that).
I could clearly see the last part of Machete Direct over the other side and I knew from our position relative to the arête we had to be above the upper gully. I also knew I could start the rappel and proceed down far enough to see over the edge before committing. A few feet down and I could see the gully - sweet!
KC needed a little coaching on the downclimbing but she did great. We worked down through the 4th class sections together.
Getting down the last slab and back into the meadow was a nice feeling.

While we were on the arête I saw some hikers come up out of the caves and along the ledge Brad had told me about the first time we met. On the way down, we found our way straight down the gully and over the boulders back into the caves. There was a bit of PO reaching out in a few spots but I think we managed to sneak past all of it - fingers crossed the next 2 days :)

All in all an amazing day and a prelude to Double O...soon...very soon...


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Re: Breaking Barriers - something smells Fishy!
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2013, 05:09:33 PM »
Now I am impressed. Although "only" 5.7, Fish Breath is a pretty heads up route (correct me if I am wrong, what did you think?). Not for the faint of heart and not for gym climbers. Well written too.

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Re: Breaking Barriers - something smells Fishy!
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2013, 05:28:16 PM »
the arête really seems to have good position. thx for the pics
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Re: Breaking Barriers - something smells Fishy!
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2013, 06:39:18 PM »
Now I am impressed. Although "only" 5.7, Fish Breath is a pretty heads up route (correct me if I am wrong, what did you think?). Not for the faint of heart and not for gym climbers. Well written too.

Thanks for the kudos. You are not wrong - It is indeed a wild ride! Real Pinns climbing :)
The only thing I didn't do was eat my can of sardines before heading up!
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Re: Breaking Barriers - something smells Fishy!
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2013, 09:16:06 AM »
I saw a tree with two slings, 2 cords and a couple of leaver biners - which I assume is the tree people use to make the 2 rope rappel. I used that as my anchor for KC to come across.

Brad confirmed that this is the tree used for the ledge belay and not the rappel.
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Re: Breaking Barriers - something smells Fishy!
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2013, 10:48:49 AM »
The arete looks cool
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Re: Breaking Barriers - something smells Fishy!
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2013, 02:47:04 PM »
The arete looks cool

It is cool and well worth the trip up.


Not for the faint of heart and not for gym climbers.

Not for those inexperienced with Pinnacles rock either. I tried to float the holds. I told KC if someone inexperienced with mud and crud were to try this route they might never climb at Pinns again! That might be why the runners and rap ring were on the p1 belay - although after making p1 I can't imagine stopping there. Even though the upper pitches might offer "easier" climbing, the rock quality, runout, position and exposure more than make up for it. KC and I can't seem to quit talking about it. 
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Re: Breaking Barriers - something smells Fishy!
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2013, 03:14:54 PM »
I think the slings and rings are from when the route was first established. The first ascent party thought it might be easier to rap the route than it was to do the standard Machete descent (I don't think they knew that their route's finish was actually on Old Original). I've talked with them since and they agree that just doing the standard descent is easier (among other things, it takes only one rope).

And, while they were establishing the route, they rapped the first pitch when the other pitches didn't yet exist. The rappel slings probably date from then, and were just left in place afterward, when they did rap the whole thing as the descent.

And I talk about "them," because I only helped on the first pitch (I think I placed one bolt, the one at the start of the groove if I recall correctly).

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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2013, 04:38:29 PM »
I think the slings and rings are from when the route was first established. The first ascent party thought it might be easier to rap the route than it was to do the standard Machete descent (I don't think they knew that their route's finish was actually on Old Original). I've talked with them since and they agree that just doing the standard descent is easier (among other things, it takes only one rope).

And, while they were establishing the route, they rapped the first pitch when the other pitches didn't yet exist. The rappel slings probably date from then, and were just left in place afterward, when they did rap the whole thing as the descent.

And I talk about "them," because I only helped on the first pitch (I think I placed one bolt, the one at the start of the groove if I recall correctly).

Thanks for the history Brad. Funny how the imagination creates all these possible scenarios - does that make me pessimistic? I was concerned that there was only one aluminum ring when I know the standard is supposed to be two - of course standards be damned if that is all you have in your bag that day - or they might have decided to save it seeing as they weren't setting anything for the long term. The McC bros sure created a cool route. I did see in the FA info that you were only listed on the first pitch - KC asked me when it was established. I'm sure it would have gotten at least one star were it not for the rock quality. So did you place the good bolt next to/just above the bad one? I'm pretty sure the two adjacent bolts were at the start of the groove.                 
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Re: Breaking Barriers - something smells Fishy!
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2013, 04:43:49 PM »
I don't remember any such arrangement of bolts; not from when I placed one, and not from when I did the whole route with J. Wang a few years later. I recall placing one fairly good, long bolt from a difficult stance.

Since Jim lurks on here, maybe he'll respond...

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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2013, 06:35:38 PM »
I don't remember any such arrangement of bolts; not from when I placed one, and not from when I did the whole route with J. Wang a few years later. I recall placing one fairly good, long bolt from a difficult stance.

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No problem.
You actually have it in the guidebook as the 6th bolt -"(it is actually two adjacent bolts - one of which is bad) at the base of this groove". When I got up there I could easily see that the first of those two bolts was not fully seated. 
My leg(s) started shaking after I committed to the groove :)
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Re: Breaking Barriers - something smells Fishy!
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2013, 08:01:28 PM »
Yeah, the 1st ascent guy...he couldda put in a few more bolts and maybe scrubbed a few holds?

It would be great to get shot from the top down in the early am.

I would pass on the Old Original decent...rap Rock Around the Clock and then down the West face route..spitting you out by Dos Equis instead. But for Rock around the Clock you have a cramped rap station.

I gave my wife a bad case of PO from doing the decent w Brad one time. Poor soul didn't know what it was until I saw the rash.....
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Re: Breaking Barriers - something smells Fishy!
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2013, 08:56:56 PM »
Nice go John and Kathy! 

Wonder if that thing is cleaning up with all of the handful of repeats.  And yes Erik I scrubbed and scrubbed.  Just imagine how dirty it was initially.  But the position was so cool it had to be done.

On the first ascent we down climbed to climbers left after finishing the third pitch.  Walked around on the ledge to top of second and did two rappels (leaving slings only) down to our packs. 

The only time I would consider using one ring for descending is if backed up where rope is also threaded through an extra sling.  Single ring was by another party.

I seem to recall Brad's bolt was the 8th or 9th (Brad don't you remember someone down below wondering aloud 'can't that guy get just a little bit higher'?)   :)

Then one more bolt on the steep and a run to the belay?  Or was there one after cresting the steep part before the belay? 

Have to get back up there remove that extra bad bolt one of these days...

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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2013, 05:47:26 AM »

(Brad don't you remember someone down below wondering aloud 'can't that guy get just a little bit higher'?)   :)


That's happened so many times that they just seem to run together...

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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2013, 06:35:47 AM »
Nice go John and Kathy! 

Wonder if that thing is cleaning up with all of the handful of repeats.  And yes Erik I scrubbed and scrubbed. 

Single ring was by another party.

I seem to recall Brad's bolt was the 8th or 9th

Then one more bolt on the steep and a run to the belay?  Or was there one after cresting the steep part before the belay? 

Have to get back up there remove that extra bad bolt one of these days...

Thanks Jim!
As far as cleaning up - I'd say not much - the moss, lichen, choss and occasional small plant just enrich the experience - this one is for mud masters :)

Here is a pic of the belay. There was nothing but the bolts/hangers at the p2 anchor.
I had the yellow web-o-lette set up for Kat's master point. I like to build my anchor from the rope.





Brad does mention in the guidebook that the 9th bolt is hard to see but I didn't have any trouble.
I wasn't really feeling the need to see from one bolt to the next.
I was more focused on choosing the best holds and moving lightly.

The last/10th bolt is on the steep and then a long/easy run up lower angle to the belay anchor.

The "bad" bolt isn't an issue since it is described in the guidebook and if anyone was unsure/unaware they could just clip both the bad and the good bolt since they are so close together.


 
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Re: Breaking Barriers - something smells Fishy!
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2013, 06:46:36 AM »
So I wrote about the bad bolt in the book and yet I have no memory of it. Funny how memories work.

EDIT: I may not be very able to continue participating in this discussion for the next four days. Joel is forcing me to go the The Leap through Friday.

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« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2013, 07:56:22 AM »
So I wrote about the bad bolt in the book and yet I have no memory of it. Funny how memories work.

EDIT: I may not be very able to continue participating in this discussion for the next four days. Joel is forcing me to go the The Leap through Friday.

Damn! I am envious - I really want to go back there...gotta go represent at the AAC Pinns climb-in this weekend...then off to the Hills.
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