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« on: December 02, 2013, 08:54:53 AM »
Well it looks like I am going vegan.  Never really thought that would happen, but it looks like there is quite a bit of compelling data that indicates this is the way to go. 

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Re: vegan
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2013, 10:11:59 AM »
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Re: vegan
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2013, 10:27:33 AM »
Well it looks like I am going vegan.  Never really thought that would happen, but it looks like there is quite a bit of compelling data that indicates this is the way to go.  

Friggin hippies...

It's actually great and way easier than I thought it would be. We got started by watching Forks over Knives and Engine 2 Rescue and then bought the Engine 2 Rescue cook book. It has some amazing recipes that are absolutely delicious and take little time to prepare. Kat and I typically spend about an hour cutting up veggies and putting them in containers for the week on Sunday afternoon. This allows us to spend about the same amount of time prepping stuff during the week that we did before starting the whole process. We're basically talking about chopping up an onion and peeling- then mincing some garlic in a mini chopper (we have a Black and Decker). A rice cooker is indispensable for rice and quinoa - we have an Oster that cooks 3 cups. Try the quinoa pasta too - so good! Try coconut and almond milk for cereals. I do Bob's Red Mill oats with walnuts, raisins, banana and blueberries(frozen from Trader Joes) and brown sugar - yum! We tapered into the whole thing over a period of a couple months - replacing our animal products with plant based food as we ran out. That was easier, cheaper and less overwhelming than just throwing everything out/purging to start over. Going to the grocery the first few times is time consuming/daunting but you get the hang of reading labels pretty quickly and after a few weeks it becomes second nature. You'll start to look at and enjoy food in a whole new way.
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Re: vegan
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2013, 12:07:45 PM »
yeah, for me/us it has not been an immediate cut over.  Started by not buying meat or dairy and using up what was around.  We started off also being glutten free but have relaxed that a bit.  We are trying to not use any oil or sugar.  I am a bit relaxed while out and about so I do not really fret over menu's but am trying to order vegan if possible.  This has nothing to do with religion or feeling bad about killing things.  Will miss spear fishing.

As far as resources I will post up some links later.  Forks over knives on Netflix is a good start. There are three in that series.

I will also state that I have lost close to 10 lbs in the couple of months that we have been doing this and I am by no means 100% into this.  I also have not really cut back on how much I eat.  I think I eat more but this is just a seat of my pants guess.

Stamina on the bike has not changed.

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Re: vegan
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2013, 02:36:26 PM »
here are some prominent Doctors that are pro vegan and have data to back their decisions.  Note:  they are prominent not necessarily popular.
T. Colin Campbell
Caldwell Esselstyn - Dr. Esselstyn goes on record to state that with the right diet he can pretty much stop all heart disease.


http://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-statins-dont-save-lives-in-people-without-heart-disease
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study

Here is are some links for an email exchange between mudworm and a friend of ours.

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was Michael Pollan. He has written a lot about food. Some books that I liked were:

"In Defense of Food: An Eater's Manifesto"  (http://www.citylightsnc.com/ebook/9781101147382)
"The Omnivore's Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals" (http://www.citylightsnc.com/ebook/9781101147177)
"The Botany of Desire: A plan's eye view of the world" (http://www.citylightsnc.com/ebook/9781588360083)

 He also has a number of other titles that I've not read yet that sound interesting:

"Food Rules: An eater's manual" (http://www.citylightsnc.com/book/9780143124108)
"Cooked: A Natural History of Transformation" (http://www.citylightsnc.com/ebook/9781101605462)

 http://www.citylightsnc.com/search/apachesolr_search/Michael%20Pollan
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Thanks for the links. We've listened to his book The Omnivore's Dilemma on a road trip and I've heard him on radio and seen him in some food related documentaries. Will check out other books when I get a chance.

I'm quite convinced that we should go vegan (and I've been sticking to it fairly well recently), but I'm still exploring the technicalities. The challenges I found include: 1) make food still interesting and not monotonic ; 2) can sustain our endurance riding ; 3) can generate power required for better OLH PRs.  Since we have been back on our bikes for quite a few months (since March), I was expecting to be back in shape like it was before,  but so far, I have observed flat-ish performance on bike compared to my peak time (last year). I wonder how much my diet is contributing to it. For example, you brought up anemia a while back. May not be that bad, but felt that way sometimes.

Anyway, lots to learn about this new (to me) diet. Been watching a lot of videos on YouTube, mainly because it's easy to get educated while I'm cooking or doing other chores.

I'd say, the most convincing is Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn Jr. , an American surgeon and former Olympic rowing champion.   Here is a 2 hour video from last year (when he was 79):
. He has a book on the top Amazon Vegetarian Book list. His wife calls it the Plant Perfect book.

However, he is strictly from a heart healthy angle, thus promoting no fat (i.e. excluding nuts and avocado and such). I find it a bit challenging. But his son, Rip Esselstyn, an All-American swimmer and a former pro-triathlete, is now a health activist and food writer. If I have to pick one video of his, I recommend this one:
  (43 minutes long). I plan on getting his The Engine 2 Diet book on my Kindle. His mom (Fr. Esselstyn's wife) calls it the Plant Strong book.

Currently, I'm reading The Gerson Therapy: The Proven Nutritional Program for Cancer and Other Illnesses. There is some myth to it (curing cancer by juicing and coffee enema?), but I have to say, her video made when she was 89 on YouTube is very impressive:


Earlier, I also sought out Dr. McDougall's teaching (his wikipedia link) where he promotes starch based vegan diet. I liked it because I like potatoes and corns and he says meals do not have to vary much and once can eat the same thing day in and day out, which sounds convenient to me. But now, my main takeaway from him is that eating starch from rice and potatoes is not a bad thing.

At last, I plan to watch the documentary Forks Over Knives on Netflix soon...
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Re: vegan
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2013, 03:28:52 PM »
I will try and post others.

I was wondering about hi level athletes and other notables that are vegan and there are a lot.
Rich Row - ultra triathlete.
Scott Jurek - most likely the greatest ultrarunner to come out of the US and one of the top ultrarunners so far.
President Clinton went vegan after his bypass and seeing I think Dr. Esselstyn.
Vice President Al Gore has gone vegan
Carl Lewis went vegan to extend his Carree as a sprinter
Patrik Baboumian power lifter, Germany's strongest man in 2011.  There is a picture of him wearing a t-shirt that says vegans are badass.  Who is to argue.
Dave Zabrinski rode the Tour De France as a vegan
Michael Griesmeier - stair climbing record hold while wearing 30kg back pack.
Steph Davis - how can we not include her on the list
Jake Shields, Jon Fitch, Mac Danzig   - MMA
Stevan Harnad   Canada Research Chair in Cognitive Sciences, UQàM
Michael Klaper   Physician - has done research in Hawaii that shows a correlation of meat and dairy to heart disease and is working on research on a link to MS.
"Weird Al" Yankovic    How can Weird Al possibly be wrong!


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Re: vegan
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2013, 04:22:13 PM »
Mungie, we need to stage an intervention. This isn't good. He'll be down to 90lbs wet in no time.

How can you give up a St John's burger...with Fries...and 1/2 price?


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Re: vegan
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2013, 04:38:10 PM »
President Clinton went vegan after his bypass and seeing I think Dr. Esselstyn.

Clinton is a poser - I read an interview with him my mother-in-law sent and he said he eats fish once a week.
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Re: vegan
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2013, 04:41:44 PM »
This has nothing to do with religion or feeling bad about killing things.  Will miss spear fishing.

Purely health for us. You can still fish - just can't eat 'em :)
After 7 months I had a blood test and cholesterol went from 240 to 160.
Weight dropped initially but then slowly came back up a bit and equilibrated.
I'm still lighter than I've ever been and don't even think about how much I eat.
Pack it in bro' - PLANT STRONG!
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Re: vegan
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2013, 04:48:13 PM »
@F4, they have veggie burgers

@JCKC, From what I gather if the levels are less than 5% meat/dairy puts the odds in your favor.  That is basically what I am shooting for.  Went to lunch today and managed to find one thing on the menu that was mostly vegan ( I am sure the refried beans had lard in them ).  Not going to sweat the small stuff.

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Re: vegan
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2013, 04:49:28 PM »
Purely health for us. You can still fish - just can't eat 'em :)


If I cannot eat it, I am not going to kill it.  For me, that is a moral issue.
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Re: vegan
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2013, 06:16:30 PM »
As far as I can tell, Forks Over Knives is what really converted Mr. Mud.  For others who have not seen it, it's available on Netflix. Hold your judgement until after you watch it.

Among all the diet/health related documentaries out there, I'll say, this one is most convincing. Now that I'm convinced (that vegan-ism is the right thing even if merely for health reason), I also have been spreading the words. This morning, I just recommended the movie to my climbing partner, so, I laughed when I just came to the forum to share and then saw this thread. Well, we do care about you, all of you, Mud 'n Crud'ers.



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Re: vegan
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2013, 06:33:04 PM »
Forks over Knives pushed me over the edge.  I cannot make a significant decision off of one source.  Mudworm made me watch some you tube stuff.  I also watched some stuff on Amazon.  In digging around I think there is data that supports a vegatable strong diet that is low on processed food, low on added sugar and low on Dairy (when I say low I mean little to none).  There is definitely a strong lobby against this.  Dr. Gerson (this guy was fairly radical especially for his time) and Dr.  Esselstyn were the two that really grabbed my attention.  Well I suppose I would have to put Dr. Michael Klaper in there as well.
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Re: vegan
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2013, 06:50:11 PM »
I don't know about this thread, I haven't met a vegan who wasn't crazy.
But if your posting on this site than your crazy anyways...
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Re: vegan
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2013, 08:38:12 PM »
Well you 2x will be easy to cook for. A bag of almonds...lettuce and yer done.

Well when you want to comeback to meat, I'll buy you a nice burger.
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Re: vegan
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2013, 02:01:41 PM »
id join you but im having to much fun eating eggs from my chickens.  i have, however, quit beer.
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Re: vegan
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2013, 02:16:48 PM »

i have, however, quit beer.


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Re: vegan
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2013, 03:15:18 PM »
id join you but im having to much fun eating eggs from my chickens.  i have, however, quit beer.

we were going to get chickens but no real reason now.  As far as beer, well, I quit for serveral years.  Difficult at first but after a while I did not really think about it.
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« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2013, 03:55:33 PM »
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As far as beer, well, I quit for several years.  Difficult at first but after a while I did not really think about it.

Nooo, say it isn't so. What else is there to drink on a hot day or cold day?
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Re: vegan
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2013, 04:45:24 PM »
roughly 50 days in.  water and coffee baby!
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