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Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« on: January 20, 2014, 02:11:59 PM »
Hey Gavin,
I just read this thread and its impressive. The details of the 2013 report totals are beyond anything I thought was going on at Pinns. You should do a NG documentary on this. Great work.

On a different note, we have been cleaning up a lot of daily litter on the trails. Gross negligence bordering on premeditated.
Other than starting to issue hiking licences, where visitors must pass a class and test, what to do???  

Carry a garbage bag. I can offer further advice offline.

I have also noticed the increase in trash and used TP  in the High Peaks Area.  Two weekends ago trailside I saw some soiled underpants with about a whole roll of TP scattered around them.  Needless to say, I was not prepared to clean up something like that, and it was a shocker.  Like JC said maybe this weekend I'll do the trail with a garbage bag.

The other thing that shocked me was the increase in trail braiding through the switchbacks on the Southern portion of the Tunnel Trail.  I had not walked that portion of the trail since last year and it is definitely worse for the wear.

I've also noticed both problems; both are as bad as I've ever seen. The trail braiding on the trail to the High Peaks from the West Side is literally destroying trails.

Add some baby wipes and small bottle of hand sanitizer to the list.

We could stand to have a trail day on the west side focusing on piling cobble size rocks into the "braids".
Large enough to stay in place and make walking over them on a slope treacherous.
It might be easier and faster but not as aesthetic to do the pound-in fence posts with green mesh to block the entrances/exits.

Maybe Gavin could call James' attention to it?

And instead of rocks, dead branches (some big ones) are really effective at re-directing braids (look at how we did it around the Discovery Wall area in October).
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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2014, 02:51:02 PM »
Agreed.  The parking lot was trashed a couple of weekends ago. The high peaks tail definitely needs help. In a few places it is almost hard to tell the short cut from the main trail. I could see plenty of trash that I was unwilling to retrieve down in the bushes.  Something needs to change.

I almost wonder if the West Side suffers from a lack of ranger presence or some type of authority figure to keep the tourist in line. I personally love the remoteness and lack of rangers on the West Side, but I also do not like to see my park trashed.

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2014, 03:43:22 PM »
 We were talking about anti-littering adds they ran when we were kids. The crying Indian and Pitch-in, I won't ever forget.
Today we don't just throw away trash into a can, we separate garbage from recycles and the recycles sometimes have specific bins.
 Most folks care but it still seems strange to me that a person would goe to Pinnacles (it's not the party destination as Arroyo Seco is) and hike the trails scattering their snack wrappers, lunch, juice and water bottles allover Mother earth. I really don't want trash cans at trail junctions. Pack it in, pack it out.
 I wish there was an incredible add campaign running that would bring conscience, educate, and place value on everyone doing their part. Get an add switching from our streets, beaches and parks, with kids, working folks, public figures...and ending with a few sport and pop-music stars saying "It's my planet, making sure it's not trashed is my job" or some like that to make people think about it.
 As far as not cutting trails goes rock and branch barriers seem a possible deterrent, Stop Erosion, Don't Cut Trails signs might work. Or arm Park Staff and deputized Mud Masters with sniper scope rubber bullet rifles.
 
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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2014, 04:56:12 PM »
  deputized Mud Masters with sniper scope rubber bullet rifles.
 

Really like this part ;)

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2014, 06:20:54 PM »
JC is getting a sling shot. ;)
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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2014, 08:29:40 PM »
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We could stand to have a trail day on the west side focusing on piling cobble size rocks into the "braids".
I would be into helping out with a trail day.  I was out of town for the last one on the East Side.
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I could see plenty of trash that I was unwilling to retrieve down in the bushes
Yep, that's exactly how I felt.  I would be into taking half a climbing day to dig trash out of bushes along the trail and mix in a couple of climbs along the way.

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2014, 08:46:46 PM »
Sorry to say I concur with this. Didn't feel like complaining, but now that you mention it, yeah. I was surprised by the amount of trash I saw a couple of weeks ago, far more than I've noticed in previous years.  Does this have anything to do with National Park status and an increase in visitors or is it a general trend?

I've been thinking about an ad campaign for a while.  To stop this at the source, you need to influence attitudes. Kids look up to sports stars, actors, musicians. Rappers against wrappers.  Richard Sherman talks trash.

NYC is enlisting kids to create campaigns:
http://www.nycgovparks.org/programs/recreation/teens/anti-litter-psa
Dual purpose - kids create the spots and they relate to each other.  Is it a local problem? Reach out to local schools.

Here's David Lynch's take on it:

I'd love to go on a hike with him.  I see large, rabid, evil raccoons.

I used to work in that game, did loads of PSAs, maybe I can talk to someone.

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2014, 06:22:41 AM »
QITNL, please do!
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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2014, 10:21:04 AM »
Hey gang -

I definitely agree with the sentiments and concerns expressed. See my post on the Climbing Closures thread for a more detailed response to some of the initial comments about trash and braided trails.

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2014, 03:35:57 PM »
Hey All -

I'm just about to post the updated Climbing Advisories on the first page of this thread, but wanted to respond briefly about the trash and trail braiding problems first.

I really appreciate the responses about trash / trail braiding and absolutely agree that the problems have gotten worse... In the 11+ years I've been working here (and the few before that when I was also hiking / climbing here), the trash and trail braiding are the worst I have seen. The trail braiding is bad in many places but I agree that it is particularly shocking along the Tunnel Trail. As someone who lives and works at the Pinns, is is so frustrating to see this place we love getting degraded.

As for things to do about it. First, I strongly recommend that each and every person commenting here sends personalized emails on the subjects directly on to our trails foreman James (james_bouknight@nps.gov)... You can CC me (gavin_emmons@nps.gov) as well if you'd like. Bruce Hildenbrand already sent a couple of emails on these subjects, and I think the more we receive, the better, as the emails help to document visitor concerns with the problems.

Second, organizing clean-up days (of trash and degraded trails) are great ideas. As many of you probably know, Pinnacles gained National Park designation a year ago, and that has definitely contributed to greater visitation (and visitor impacts) here. What you may not know is that the National Park designation brought absolutely no new money to the park, for more staff, maintenance, or anything else. With shrinking federal budgets and sequestration effects, the capacity of NPS personnel to adequately respond to park needs - law enforcement, trail maintenance, etc. - has been strained even further. Right now, we basically do not have a trails crew due to the funding cutbacks.

With these things in mind, any efforts on your part to remove trash and tend to braided trails are invaluable. I'm sure James would be thrilled to have folks agree on times to come out and have focused days of litter clean-up and trail repair. On my end, I have tried to organize trash clean-up days a couple times a year for NPS staff to be a part of, but of course the trash keeps on coming.

I am hoping to keep pushing the idea of having (more or less) mandatory trash clean-up days for Pinnacles staff, at least a couple times a year. Beyond that, we should work with James to organize some days when we can mobilize enough folks to bring down the trash load and work on trail projects. I would guess that with enough people, even a few hours in a day would have a substantial effect... And still leave some time for climbing afterwards.  ;)

Okay, enough for now... Advisory updates coming soon.
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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2014, 10:21:02 AM »
Gavin,

I sent an email to the requested parties.  Would it also be helpful to contact Sam Farr?

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2014, 10:29:02 AM »
Aaron, I saw your email; thanks for the effort. Honestly, I don't know what impact an email to Sam Farr's office would have. However, he did work hard to change the Pinnacles designation from National Monument to Park, so an email can't hurt and is a means of voicing your concerns.

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2014, 12:23:08 PM »
Not all litter is coming from non climbers. We picked up more than half a pack of cigarette butts and some napkins off Alias bandit bench this weekend. Every belay was an ash tray. There was of course lots of stuff on the ground with the Holiday hordes.  As well as lots of howling coming from the Balcony caves.

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2014, 12:28:20 PM »
Nothing is worse than cig butts. The amount of butts (mine and other's) I've pulled out of my pockets after a climb (especially a wall) is just ridiculous. Damnit.

http://www.kab.org/site/DocServer/LitterFactSheet_CIGARETTE.pdf?docID=5182

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2014, 04:22:36 PM »
Hey All -

I just wanted to post an update on sending comments to NPS staff. For those that still want to express their concerns about litter and trail braiding, it sounds like the most effective contact is our trails foreman, James (james_bouknight@nps.gov) and not our superintendent, Karen. So send comments directly to him (and CC me if you'd like) and we'll see what we can do to organize our collective energy into some trail clean-up days. Thanks!

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2014, 10:45:47 AM »
Not all litter is coming from non climbers. We picked up more than half a pack of cigarette butts and some napkins off Alias bandit bench this weekend. Every belay was an ash tray. There was of course lots of stuff on the ground with the Holiday hordes.  As well as lots of howling coming from the Balcony caves.

Peter

Amazing, I was up there on December 3rd and picked up a dozen butts from the Alias Bandit Bench anchors as well.   

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2014, 10:52:30 AM »
so who is the asshole?
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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2014, 11:50:53 AM »
Judging by the evidence, cancer should claim him or her soon.

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2014, 02:14:09 PM »
Munge, the word description most appropriate is butthole.  This calls for a route in the area "No if ,ands,  or butts.
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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2014, 10:12:31 AM »
Your trash ain't nothin' but cash...

Bruce said he got $1.25 for what we collected last Wednesday after rebolting Thundering Herd :)


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