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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2014, 12:25:26 PM »
sweet, dirtbaggers revenge!

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2014, 04:01:54 PM »
That is a tall boy cobra right there!

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2014, 07:49:34 PM »
good clean up effort and thanks much.
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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2014, 10:41:55 PM »
A couple of weeks ago on the way back from rebolting on Goat Rock, Clint and I picked up all these plastic bottle, cans and, glass bottles (and some trash not in the photo).  This was all collected in a 1/2 mile stretch of the Juniper Canyon Trail about 1/4 mile above and below the junction with the Tunnel Trail.


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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2014, 07:58:00 AM »
Thank you Bruce and Clint.  Jeepers, what are people thinking.
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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2014, 08:01:48 AM »
Mud people don't think or think they are above the rules, twice this year, including yesterday we saw people with dogs on the trail.   Also dog shiite, a couple weeks ago, people didn't even kick it off the trail. Sad...

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2014, 10:42:55 AM »
The problems and perils of a National Park designation... I saw it all as a ranger in Yosemite. And it's likely we'll see it all at Pinnacles now.

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2014, 03:17:00 PM »
Damn, I can't believe you got all that plastic in that small stretch. I guess that is me being naïve or overly hopeful. Did the High Peaks loop yesterday with my son. Your photo explains why it looked so clean. I started climbing in Pinns in '85, I always thought it was one of the cleaner sites.
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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2014, 04:54:27 PM »
Damn, I can't believe you got all that plastic in that small stretch.

Welcome to the forum Bill. Yes - it is amazing how much stuff is out there. When Bruce and Clint and I were out I started picking stuff up and the more I looked - the more I found. My hands were so full I almost couldn't get up the hill to put it all in the bag. My pard and I will definitely have to start carrying at least one trash bag in our packs.
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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2014, 06:50:18 PM »
Welcome to the forum
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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2014, 07:19:44 PM »
Oldtopangalizard, I like your nickname. Some people on the forum use boring real names. That is ok. The rest of us are so much cooler. Welcome.
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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2014, 11:26:23 PM »
Went out on Saturday with this guy.

I started out from Bear Gulch and walked along the rim trail to the reservoir. Along the way I found quite a few beer cans, water bottles, etc.  The reservoir was looking really low.  Kind of makes you wonder what could be on the bottom.  More bottles?  Who knows.

From here I walked over to the Watchmen did the 4th class route and picked up some more water bottles.

View from the top of the watchmen

Next I started up the Deserted Valley.  The stream bed was totally dry which made the walking pretty much brush free.

Along the way I picked up some more water bottles before I arrived at Maniacs Delight


I climbed the 5.7 route thinking that I was on the 4th class route.  By the time I got to the move protected by the bolt I thought "hmm.this does not seem 4th class."  Whoops.
Next I hopped on the 4th class route and then headed over to the Knee. 
After poking around the base of the Knee looking for the bolts on the route "Blowing Chunks" I decided it was time to move on. Has anybody done this route lately?  I could not see the bolts.  Are they still there?

I did not find any more trash until I re-joined the High Peaks Trail near The UnMentionable.  From here I walked down the trail to the Anvil.  Along the way I found more bottles, TP, and this

my first used sanitary pad of the day! (later I will find one more and a couple of used tampons)  By now the bag had a fair amount of stuff in it and many of the hikers gave me thanks for picking up trash.  After chatting with the hikers I hopped on the Anvil and then headed up the trail to the cutooff for Pipsqueak Pinnacle.  No trash to report at The Pipsqueak.  I did" From the Center of the Earth "4th Class and then headed down to The Snout which I changed from 5.6 to 4th Class AO like this

From here I bushwacked my way down to the Condor Gulch Trail.  From here the trash collecting resumed.  When I got to the Don Genaro Overlook I chimneyed down the waterfall route and cleaned out a half dozen water bottles.   The hikers were shouting down thanks.
Next up I did the 4th class descent route on Casino Rock.  Then I continued on to the Squareblock to the 3rd class "Rabbit" route

From here the climbing pretty much stopped for the day and I went into full on trash collecting mode.  My main objective was to remove as much or all of the visible trash from the Tunnel Trail.  From talking to hikers along the way I knew that the soiled undies and TP that I saw a couple of weeks ago were still there.  So now the moment you have all been waiting for..... I give you

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and the piece doorepooped pants

Those bad boys got double bagged. Yikes!
From there I finished the Tunnel Trail and hiked back down the High Peaks Trail picking up more trash as I went along.

All in all, I got in some fun easy pinnacles in areas I had not visited, met a ton of nice hikers,and collected about a half a bag of trash.  Did not see a single climber.  I even brought an alpine harness just in case I could bum a TR out of someone.  Here's my partner at the end of the day.

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2014, 06:27:29 AM »
Nelkins, your awesome.  That spot by the Tunnel Trail looked really bad.  Good TR and looked like a real nice day out there and the Park is much better off after your visit.

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2014, 06:33:04 AM »
After rereading the entire thread I do have some observations.
After not climbing on The west side for 15-20 years, I started coming back about a year ago. 10 months ago I went up the south leg of the High Peaks Trail at Juniper Canyon. This past weekend, 1/26, I came down that way. I was thinking of one of the comments above about the rapid deterioration of the trail and it is true, in that 10 month period that section seemed to have aged closer to 10 years than 10 months.
 Overall, in the 4 visits in the recent past I have seen a large hiker increase, but I am sure climbers are responsible as well.
Before Christmas, three of us went up Costanoan. I don't have exact dates but the only other time I did the climb was 15-20 years ago. I remember it was a bushwack of sorts, sadly a method I seem to love having grown up hiking in the Santa Monica's. Well needless to say I was shocked at the size of the trail to the Citadel. I am assuming that was built and designed to keep all climbers from roaming the creekbed and hillside to get to the rock. Much like I did 20 years ago. When we came down in the waning light I realized the improved trail served a good purpose. The days of secret little foot paths to distant climbs is obviously over and trails and paths will not doubt have to be maintained on a regular basis. If a trail maintenance or clean up day is put together, I would love to help. I know Andrew would join in and I'm sure we could get more. I definitely need the exercise if nothing else and every day at Pinnacles is a beautiful day.
You folks must have an insight into the degree of damage in relation to NP status. Was the westside popularity rate as large and damaging in the 2-5 years prior to NP?

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2014, 08:19:33 AM »
Hey All -

I just wanted to thank everyone for continuing to post about litter and trail erosion, and for the awesome efforts of folks to pick up trash and post photos of what they collected. Roving the trails to conduct raptor surveys most days of the week, I find myself picking up tons of trash as well - with water bottles, tin cans, TP, and orange peels being major leavings - and definitely applaud the efforts of those of you picking up trash during your visits. Nelkins, your posting was great... Thanks for all your work.

I also wanted to post some updates on the NPS staff side of things. I've been talking with James (our trails foreman) and Karen (our superintendent), and they are both very supportive of organizing more volunteer efforts in regards to trash clean-up and trail work. James should be posting on this thread soon with some thoughts, and hopefully we can line up some days for folks to come volunteer for additional trash clean-up and trail repair. James and I will continue talking further with Karen as well about organizing some official trash clean-up days with other NPS staff. James is also organizing some official trail work restoration projects focusing on trail erosion, and he can discuss those upcoming projects more when he posts on this thread.

Thanks again for all your efforts, and keep them coming!

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2014, 08:23:38 AM »
Geez nelkins that is a lot of hiking, climbing and trash collecting. I got my exercise for the day just reading your TR. If Brad were not in JTree I'm sure he'd chime in. Nice work dude!

As far as recent damage goes on the west side I'm not sure traffic has really increased since the status change. I think the dry weather and warm temps have prompted a lot of locals to get out more. I've been on the Tunnel trail more times than I can count over the last year. A few of the prominent shortcuts turned into deep ruts after the rains the last few winters.
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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2014, 08:25:15 AM »
Oh, and to Aaron and nelkins: Karen should be sending you personal replies to your emails of concern about trash and trail deterioration. If it seems warranted and relevant, feel free to post her reply on this thread so other folks can see where she stands on the issues.

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2014, 09:06:25 PM »
Chapeau, Nelkins!

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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2014, 09:22:59 PM »
Thanks everybody!
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Re: Litter on Trails and Shortcutting
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2014, 09:29:55 AM »
Very nice work Nelkins! A huge pick up of litter, a near-total traverse of the park, and a few routes picked off on the way. Wow!