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CruxLuv

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knotty
« on: March 22, 2014, 06:24:33 AM »
What knots do you consider the minimum to be a good/safe partner?
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Brad Young

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Re: knotty
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2014, 06:47:21 AM »
Quote from: CruxLuv on March 22, 2014, 06:24:33 AM
What knots do you consider the minimum to be a good/safe partner?

As long as a partner follows the second rule of climbing safety they're fine.
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Re: knotty
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2014, 07:26:21 AM »
what is the second rule? 

Over hand and figure eight will probably get most people through their first couple years.  Clove and munter are good to know and helpful.
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Re: knotty
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2014, 07:39:27 AM »
Quote from: mynameismud on March 22, 2014, 07:26:21 AM

what is the second rule? 


Everyone knows the first rule of climbing: Don't step on your rope.

The second rule of climbing: If you don't know what knot you're tying, tie a lot of it.
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Re: knotty
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2014, 07:53:42 AM »
Hey, the more knotty my partner is, the better. Ya know what I'm saying?!  ;D

...Oh wait, we're talking about climbing here?...

Seriously, though: agree with Mud's response about figure eights (including figure eight on a bight and figure eight follow-through), water knots (especially for webbing), and the hitches. Other knots can be useful to learn further down the road.
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Re: knotty
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2014, 07:55:53 AM »
All right, seriously?

- Figure 8 Follow Through (one direction for tying in to a harness, the other direction for tying a rappel knot);

- Figure 8 on a Bight (for making a loop in the rope);

- Water Knot (for tying slings);

- Clove Hitch (for tying in/equalizing an anchor without having to carry half a ton of crap on your harness);

- Munter Hitch (an alternative method to belay without a belay device);

- Prussick (for holding and/or ascending the rope);

- Euro-death Knot (which I use exclusively for rappelling at Red Rocks; it's the best rappel knot for not getting stuck/jammed, and Red Rocks has so much stuff sticking out just waiting to catch a rope).
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Re: knotty
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2014, 08:12:05 AM »
Since Brad mentioned the Prusik: I agree about the value of this one, especially for ascending ropes. Creating the Prusik cord requires a couple of double fisherman's knots, and I like the double fisherman's knots for double rope rappels... They're pretty clean and strong. So add the double fisherman's knot to the list!
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Re: knotty
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2014, 09:27:25 AM »
I taught my wife the standard knots, yet she didn't retain the Names....

So she goes to the climbing gym and takes her "belay test".

Please tie a figure 8...."what's a figure 8"..."Is it this??"

Um, yes.
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Re: knotty
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2014, 12:42:34 PM »
Euro Death knot is an over hand and is also what I have started to use, almost exclusively, for rappels.

for a beginner keep it basic.  You just want them to know a couple of things and know them very well. 

I thought the 2nd rule was, the beginner always buys the beer.
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Re: knotty
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2014, 04:42:03 PM »
Another good knot to know it the hang-man's knot.

My buddy would tied it when we would TR @ Castle.

Hikers would walk by and he'd offer them a TR.....no one ever accepted.

You can't go wrong with.....water knot, figure8 and clove-hitch.

More advanced is 1/2 a clove-hitch= munter
I rarely get that one right.
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Re: knotty
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2014, 10:07:41 AM »
I personally like Figure 9 for a rappel knot, but most of my seasoned climbing partners use Euro Death knot, so I go with the flow. (What do they say? You can't teach old dogs new tricks  ;D.)

Here is a video demonstrating how to tie a Figure 9 knot (and its comparison with other knots for rappel):
http://www.mxi2000.net/mudworm/2009/02/figure-nine
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Re: knotty
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2014, 10:43:12 AM »
Okay - I'm not sucking as much as I thought.  Need/want to learn a couple more.

Mud - that's funny!  I watched your video well before knowing anything about MudnCrud! 

What's even funnier is that your ropes are on a cat post.  The main reason I don't practice more is my cats are too interested in my toy.   ;)

I love my prusik (thanks waldo!) and never think of even small raps w/o it.
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Re: knotty
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2014, 01:27:16 PM »
Brad nailed it.....only thing I personally add are the bowline and due to its ability to "untie" itself if not set and watched I call it a mid-advanced knot. Munter is a funny one....thing has saved my bacon on a few occasion and gotten me home to a warm bed rather than a cold night on the rock
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Re: knotty
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2014, 01:31:34 PM »
It's important to know that the tails on the Euro death knot should be at least a foot long.

All climbers should know how to do a body rappel for emergencies.
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Re: knotty
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2014, 05:06:36 PM »
Quote from: JC w KC redux on March 23, 2014, 01:31:34 PM
body rappel for emergencies.

Indeed - needs to be in my quiver.
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Re: knotty
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2014, 05:35:12 PM »
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how to do a body rappel for emergencies.

When all efforts to resuscitate your partner fail.
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Re: knotty
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2014, 07:50:36 PM »
Quote from: clink on March 23, 2014, 05:35:12 PM
When all efforts to resuscitate your partner fail.

duuude...that's gnar!
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Re: knotty
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2014, 09:30:06 PM »
Bowline on a coil

I exclusively use the EDK for rapping

And now that I'm on speed alot... I use the Bunny Ears Figure eight.

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Re: knotty
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2014, 07:26:46 AM »
Alpine Butterfly

In line figure 8




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Re: knotty
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2014, 02:39:28 PM »
Munter Mule and Mariners Hitch are great to know for big wall and self rescue.  I also think it is helpful to know different types of slide and grip knots in addition to the Prusik.

I also really like the double bowline on a bite.

Here is a great website that give you a step by step demo of several of the climbing knots.

http://www.animatedknots.com/indexclimbing.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com
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