Highlining at Pinnacles - discussion needed

[mynameismud]

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Name:    Cvsimon
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Date Registered:    15 August 2016, 12:55:13

[mudworm]

Simon registered and has been wanting to get on here for a long time, but he is still waiting approval. It's been months now. It only took a night for me.

It was approved within minutes. I wonder if the notification email ended up in his Spam folder. Can you help let him know? Give a holler if he has trouble logging in. (If password is forgotten, he can just follow the link to reset the password instantly.)

Apparently, his MudnCrud membership just celebrated its monthiversary without him.

[Max]

It was approved within minutes. I wonder if the notification email ended up in his Spam folder. Can you help let him know? Give a holler if he has trouble logging in. (If password is forgotten, he can just follow the link to reset the password instantly.)

Apparently, his MudnCrud membership just celebrated its monthiversary without him.

That's what I figured happened. I'll let him know. Thanks!

[clink]

but that was planned.

... and I assumed I was just stupid.

[mynameismud]

... and I assumed I was just stupid.

well you might not be all wrong

[JC w KC redux]

Max, I had a difficult time getting on as well.

If you think that is hard you should try getting on the you-knee-sigh-kill 

[Cvsimon]

Hello to all,
First off I apologize for taking such time to finally get on here. I am the one who had set the line that started this discussion. I have read up on all the discussion going on and agree with much of it. My experience with the pinns started with with climbing and after I got into highlines I could not help but see the possibility. I definitely agree that highlines should not be rigged off of climbing anchors. In other areas some climbing anchors have been beefed up to bolts that can hand the forces and still be safe for all sports. This was something I was curious to what all your thoughts were on this. Also as for the topic of more bolts on top of pinnacles;  I love the areas history of rope tricks and believe implementing large slings and wraps on pinnacles is necessary. When speaking towards bolt confusion it is very common to leave anchors as studs and highliners bring necessary hangers. Other times anchors are simply glue in eye bolts in a typical anchor pattern, which is not any kind of climbing anchor I have seen. I look forward to hearing more from everyone and working towards a coexistence

[JC w KC redux]

Good to hear from you Simon.
I looked for you on my way out of the west side Friday. I was over working on Drizzly Drain.
Have you signed up for the PCAD yet?
I hope you and Max can make it out to work and hang out and climb some of our new routes 

[Cvsimon]

Good to hear from you Simon.
I looked for you on my way out of the west side Friday. I was over working on Drizzly Drain.
Have you signed up for the PCAD yet?
I hope you and Max can make it out to work and hang out and climb some of our new routes 

Unfortunately I haven't been out there any time recently. I just checked the dates and sadly il be out of town and unable to make it to this years event. Hope to see you out there another time

[JC w KC redux]

Unfortunately I haven't been out there any time recently. I just checked the dates and sadly il be out of town and unable to make it to this years event. Hope to see you out there another time

Bummer.

I am hoping to get back down soon and work on the rest of the Southeast Face of Flumes.
I still need to work on Flames Face and Flimsy Flume.

We usually do a Masters of Mud get together in April if you're around. 

[Max]

Good to hear from you Simon.
I looked for you on my way out of the west side Friday. I was over working on Drizzly Drain.
Have you signed up for the PCAD yet?
I hope you and Max can make it out to work and hang out and climb some of our new routes 

I'll be at the PCAD this year. I'm stoked to be getting out there this year, finally!

[Max]

What do people think about beefing up anchors on top of pinnacles to be used for both climbing and highlining. I have heard of a few crags that share their anchors with highliners.

I think titanium glue ins would be pretty bomber, but what do you guys think? Simon?

[Cvsimon]

What do people think about beefing up anchors on top of pinnacles to be used for both climbing and highlining. I have heard of a few crags that share their anchors with highliners.

I think titanium glue ins would be pretty bomber, but what do you guys think? Simon?

The standard bolts for highlines have become either segments of 1/2" threaded rod( typically around 6"), fixe SS 3/8"x6-1/2"  glue ins, of even Titan climbing titanium bolts. Minimum of 316ss though. I have recently heard in Europe some highline anchors actually are left with ID tags (or simply left as studs) to eliminate confusion/accidental use. Tags could be maybe implemented on a formation or wall away from climbing descents to prevent the unaware from a rap to nowhere  Thoughts, concerns?

[Max]

The standard bolts for highlines have become either segments of 1/2" threaded rod( typically around 6"), fixe SS 3/8"x6-1/2"  glue ins, of even Titan climbing titanium bolts. Minimum of 316ss though. I have recently heard in Europe some highline anchors actually are left with ID tags (or simply left as studs) to eliminate confusion/accidental use. Thoughts, concerns?

Natural anchors, or beefing up a bolted anchor(as a last resort) seems like the best options to me.

Does anyone know what anchors Ivo used back when he highlined off the Monolith? Did he use the climbing anchor?

[Max]

I have recently heard in Europe some highline anchors actually are left with ID tags (or simply left as studs) to eliminate confusion/accidental use. Tags could be maybe implemented on a formation or wall away from climbing descents to prevent the unaware from a rap to nowhere  Thoughts, concerns?

The tags would be a good idea in that sense. What would the tags look like? Similar to the little engraved plates like seen on some rap anchors on El Cap?

[Cvsimon]

The tags would be a good idea in that sense. What would they look like? Similar to the little engraved plates like seen on some rap anchors on El Cap?

No idea on what those plates look like or what others use but running with the idea easiest I was thinking was dog tags printed at a military surplus store attached to a bolt

[JC w KC redux]

Seems others are hesitant to chime in.

I think it best to keep the two types of anchors separate.
I would say that if it is necessary to install bolts, just make sure they are only on the summits and don't come into play when climbing the established routes to those summits.

Leaving the bolts without hangers will defintely help solve any confusion issues and adding tags would be great.

How are the tags attached to the bolts?

[Cvsimon]

Seems others are hesitant to chime in.

I think it best to keep the two types of anchors separate.
I would say that if it is necessary to install bolts, just make sure they are only on the summits and don't come into play when climbing the established routes to those summits.

Leaving the bolts without hangers will defintely help solve any confusion issues and adding tags would be great.

How are the tags attached to the bolts?

I was considering just a small wire swage to attach it to hangers or if left with no hangers leaving at least one bolt with a nut on it to keep the tag in place. Definitely appreciate the input on opinion of combined anchors. It's all about the balancing out!
Anyone else out here with thoughts concerns ideas? I'm still trying to feel out what the general consensus is in the park. I know a lot fear a carnival atmosphere growing from it but It may set  minds at ease to know our strict no power tools drilling has deterred almost all from the idea of the pinns considered the time required. This in itself will prevent such a scene; in areas where the carnival style emerges power tools are standard and so few highliners even would consider such effort.

[JC w KC redux]

Just a heads up guys that someone removed the nuts and washers from your anchor at the top of Big Bad West.

Not cool.

[NOAL]

https://www.mountainproject.com/v/highlining-pinnacles-national-park/111808374

It appears the park wants to be involved in decisions concerning highlining anchors.