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Approach to Invisible Cliffs?
« on: January 15, 2018, 11:09:44 AM »
Hi all. Just curious about how to get to the Invisible Cliffs. From the new routes description it’s just past T Trap, but it seems like that’s a closed trail. We thought we’d found a way around and climbed there the other day, but I’m not sure if we were actually supposed to go that way. Anyway those were some good climbs to bring new people on. Thanks for the bolts and info. I definitely enjoyed them, but want to make sure I’m not pissing off the park staff.

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Re: Approach to Invisible Cliffs?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2018, 11:20:28 AM »
Hi all. Just curious about how to get to the Invisible Cliffs. From the new routes description it’s just past T Trap, but it seems like that’s a closed trail. We thought we’d found a way around and climbed there the other day, but I’m not sure if we were actually supposed to go that way. Anyway those were some good climbs to bring new people on. Thanks for the bolts and info. I definitely enjoyed them, but want to make sure I’m not pissing off the park staff.

Thanks for asking. It shows conscientiousness on your part and sets a nice example.

From the new routes list:

Approach from the right side of Tourist Trap.  Move right 250 feet to a prominent oak which sits in front of the 75 foot-high face.

That being said, there are a couple (at least one) sign posts that make it appear the area is closed. There is also a lower and upper braid to the trail. It is my understanding that the trails got created when the park staff was gathering rocks to fortify Tourist Trap. Just don't create any new trails and it should be fine. Brad talked extensively with the trails crew about any potential issues. If anything more needs to be said, I imagine Brad will respond but he is out climbing with Gavin today on the west side.
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Re: Approach to Invisible Cliffs?
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2018, 03:18:46 PM »
Right on. Thanks!

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Re: Approach to Invisible Cliffs?
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2018, 03:22:51 PM »
I have never seen them
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Re: Approach to Invisible Cliffs?
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2018, 07:51:30 AM »
J.C. got it right.

To add detail. I talked in November with the head of the trail crew while standing at Tourist Trap (he and I had spent the earlier part of the day walking out to Yaks Wall via Marmot Rocks and then coming back by way of Chalone Peak Trail - he'd never seen these areas).

He and I discussed the climbs to the right of Tourist Trap and the new "trail" that the trail crew "made" while working there. As to the new trail, they didn't make it on purpose, but they had to get rock material from somewhere in order to build up the Tourist Trap staging areas. "Somewhere" happened to be to the right/toward Invisible Cliffs (which is pretty logical).

According to him, the sign is emphatically wrong - there are no "closed areas" there at all. The sign was placed in order to try to keep large numbers of people from "expanding" the cleared areas at the base of Tourist Trap unnecessarily. There are several places in the park that are not "closed" but where this sign is used in this way. The Park Service doesn't have a different sign that they can use - at least not at Pinnacles and not right now.

We did discuss alternative types of signs and alternative wordings that didn't send an incorrect message. He suggested some specific wordings, but I only recall now that I liked one suggestion in particular (I can't recall those words exactly).

This isn't the type of thing though that happens quickly. The trial crew is really, really busy with "triage" of "real" trails (they're underfunded, what a surprise). But I think/hope that in the next several months - perhaps by the next PCAD, some solutions and alternative sign language might be coming along.

Anyway, in summary, I was told right at the site that no, that is not a closed area. This confirmed what I'd been told several times by other park staff about that type of signage in less site-specific discussions.

And BTW, like J.C., I really admire and appreciate your sense of stewardship and concern for climber/Park Service relations. Thanks.



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Re: Approach to Invisible Cliffs?
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2018, 04:49:24 PM »
Thank you all for the question and the clarification.  I wondered about this when I went to the area soon after the climbs were announced.

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Re: Approach to Invisible Cliffs?
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2018, 08:20:54 AM »
They’ve done some work to the approach route and it’s much less confusing now. I keep meaning to get a pic, but I’ve either not had my camera or not had time to get over there.

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Re: Approach to Invisible Cliffs?
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2018, 10:46:45 AM »
They’ve done some work to the approach route and it’s much less confusing now. I keep meaning to get a pic, but I’ve either not had my camera or not had time to get over there.

Thanks for the update and the reminder.
Some of us on the PCAD committee were talking with the trails supervisor and other park staff yesterday about potential projects for the next event. I will add this to the list of things that may need continued attention.

On a side note - I didn't make the connection between here and mtn proj re Rock Bottom.
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Re: Approach to Invisible Cliffs?
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2018, 08:36:24 PM »
Ha! Yep that was me. I really dig that little crag. It’s perfect for when ya show up late and there’s no parking, but you want to climb right away. It’s also just a neat little area that hardly anyone would think to look and it’s a damn adventurous 5.6. 😜

I keep Meaning to introduce myself as we have some friends in common and both climb at PE. I was about to on sunday, but you guys were busy talking about the guy flying a drone next to a condor. That conversation was getting heated! Hahaha!

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Re: Approach to Invisible Cliffs?
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2018, 09:15:15 PM »

Ha! Yep that was me. I really dig that little crag. It’s perfect for when ya show up late and there’s no parking, but you want to climb right away. It’s also just a neat little area that hardly anyone would think to look and it’s a damn adventurous 5.6. 😜

I keep Meaning to introduce myself as we have some friends in common and both climb at PE. I was about to on sunday, but you guys were busy talking about the guy flying a drone next to a condor. That conversation was getting heated! Hahaha!


Next time make sure you barge over and make an introduction.

And yeah, that dumb sonofabitch was flying a drone next to a condor - can you believe it? That was a heated talk indeed. You shoulda seen the talk we had earlier with the dumb sonofabitch who was flying it though  ;D


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Re: Approach to Invisible Cliffs?
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2018, 08:53:17 AM »

I keep Meaning to introduce myself as we have some friends in common and both climb at PE.



Next time make sure you barge over and make an introduction.


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