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rubble wall?...
« on: January 31, 2022, 02:53:16 PM »
My partner and I have never explored Rubble Wall and would like to check it out, and have a couple questions.

Just one rope or bring two?  We've got a 60 meter, a 70 meter, plus a 60 meter tag line. I was assuming it's a one rope deal. 

Any gear other than draws and a large diameter sling for that lodestone on Long in the Tooth?

We like exploring and getting to more obscure stuff.  If there is anything else in the vicinity of Rubble Wall that you might suggest, suggest away.  On a really good day we can lead 5.9, though right now we don't get out enough to have a lot of really good days.   

Thanks for the beta.

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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2022, 05:50:05 PM »
If you hike up to Rubble Wall (almost a 2 hour hike when you know it) you won't need any other routes beyond what is there for a full day. You only need one rope (a 60 is fine). Long in the Tooth is a short rappel off the top (wild) followed by a longer rappel. Bolts on pitch 1 are spaced out. Bolts on p2 are close (until it gets easy). You'll need a double length runner and a couple shoulder length. The giant lodestone is too big for a double (4 footer). I girth hitched a 2 and a 4 to make a 6 and that worked. Between the old routes and the new ones there is too much to do in a day. I would recommend using the approach explained in the New Routes list and do the new routes on that side first. If you want to do Bicuspid and Incisor, it is best to approach the way that is shown in the book and historically West, Middle and East Tooth were all done from that side. Every old bolt has been replaced (by me) and the old routes may have easy ratings but are scary as hell. The 5.4 (Bicuspid) is the scariest and virtually unprotectable with no summit anchor. There were holds cracking at the start and I couldn't believe they didn't blow. Brad did not follow me on that route. He held one end of the rope while I untied on the summit and pulled just enough rope to get the lead end on the ground. He tied back in as my anchor and I very carefully rapped a single strand to the ground (Pinnacles rappel). I'm assuming you guys know how to do this. If you do not, make sure your partner sits right next to the base of the pinnacle (to minimize the chance of the rope rolling off the top).  There's enough irregularity on the summit to keep the rope from rolling off once your weight is on it but it was still one of the scariest if not the scariest Pinns rappel I have done.
It is an awesome spot but the approaches are a bit tricky.
Brad had a big knob blow from under his feet on Betty and Barney and it damn near nailed me as it tumbled and split into multiple pieces. I had only lightly placed a foot on that knob when I drilled the bolt and Kat and I both climbed the route (I put it up in one run since it only has 2 bolts).
I have detailed notes on every route out there if you need more. I used a couple tricams at the start of Incisor (irregular crack). My notes say a number 2 and a pink tricam. My notes say a medium stopper might work (crack was too irregular to accept spring-loaded cams). East Tooth I used a 2.5 and a 3 tricam. My notes say I made 3 moves at the start of Bicuspid before I reached the big hold that started cracking. The upper move off the pillar is WILD. The stemming to do West and Middle Tooth is WILD too.
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2022, 08:15:24 PM »
John, thank you for the info.  I will scroll through those threads.   Damn, Bicuspid being a 5.4 would probably have drawn us into it being the first thing we did.  Warning appreciated, we might just skip that one.

Long in the Tooth sounds fun.  The description in the new route section mentions that wild 40 foot rappel off the top of the route.  I  thought I had read in the Quest for Mud thread, that it is not recommended that the leader brings up the second?? 


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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2022, 08:54:25 AM »
John, thank you for the info.  I will scroll through those threads.   Damn, Bicuspid being a 5.4 would probably have drawn us into it being the first thing we did.  Warning appreciated, we might just skip that one.

You could go check it out. It is kind of bouldery off the ground and then after a few moves you reach up to that cracking hold. Get past there and you can climb on top of the crumbly pillar. It could be slung with a huge sling (I did not do that). There is some perceived protection at that point. If you fell to the left, the rope is between the pillar and the main pinnacle - so the rope would catch - or maybe be cut as you fell into the abyss. When you reach over to the main pinnacle the holds are big and solid but it is committing. I looked at it several times on previous trips out there and did not think I would ever try it - but the mystery and the history got the better of me. You can also look at it from above (the way the pictures were taken).

Long in the Tooth sounds fun.  The description in the new route section mentions that wild 40 foot rappel off the top of the route.  I  thought I had read in the Quest for Mud thread, that it is not recommended that the leader brings up the second??

It is fun and you did read that. There is very little room up at the anchor. The top of the pinnacle is tiny and the rock is spooky. I climbed up onto it and did a ride-em cowboy but there was no way to get a picture (it was just me and clink and it is a blind belay). The actual summit is probably 5 feet above the anchor. When Gavin and Kat climbed it - he belayed her up. She climbed up and touched the anchor and then he lowered her back down. Trying to thread the anchor with two people up there would not be fun. When clink and I finished it, he lowered me off the top and then followed it on TR.

Long in the Tooth gets some sun but the other new routes are shady. If you do Tooth Fairy - I climbed straight up at the top. There was no anchor up there at the time. I draped the rope around a little summit and did a Pinnacles rappel with clink as my anchor (he and Brad are really good for ballast). You can do it as it is described or go straight up and use the Betty and Barney anchor to rappel. The Throne up there at the anchor is totally unique - as is the Heart of Pinnacles. Talking about all of it is making me want to go back up there.   
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2022, 10:12:59 AM »
...(he and Brad are really good for ballast).

E.S.A.D.

But it's why I'll likely win Clink's April Fools contest.

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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2022, 10:45:05 AM »
^^^

As predicted. Belly laugh. I knew you would read the whole enchilada.
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2022, 08:09:47 PM »
Regarding that photo of the hardware on top of Middle Tooth, are you sure that's not a rusted out doorknob with a mangled coat hanger attached to it?

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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2022, 10:58:04 AM »
Regarding that photo of the hardware on top of Middle Tooth, are you sure that's not a rusted out doorknob with a mangled coat hanger attached to it?

Ha ha. It is still up there. No doubt it had another film canister like the one I found on West Tooth.

Here is a shot of me at the decision point for West or Middle Tooth - taken from the Incisor/Bicuspid side.




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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2022, 12:46:14 PM »
^^^

And do not be fooled by the foreshortening or the mass of rock the rope is draped over that blocks the view of the true start of the climb. It is way up there and the bolt is useless at that point to prevent cratering. The exposure up there is nuts.

clink will remember this one. crunch...crunch...John?

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In the notch for West Tooth after climbing up Tooth Fairy.
After this shot was taken and after I chickened out on climbing West Tooth (after seeing the old bolt as the only thing between me and a dirt nap), I traversed back over to my exit point and draped the rope around the closest of those big heads of rock for the Pinnacles rappel.


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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2022, 02:19:27 PM »
Maybe Clink is correct when he claims that I am lucky to be alive. Maybe not, but at times I wonder myself.

In 1996, on our way south to see family at Thanksgiving, Vicki and I stopped at Pinnacles with then one year old Katie. I wanted to do some routes I'd never done before but with Katie along I did not think Vicki would be able to belay me. So I decided to check out Rubble Wall where, perhaps, I could solo some or all five of the then-known routes.

The three of us hiked up Chalone Peak Trail, me carrying a rope and harness and Vicki carrying Katie. They stopped to relax and eat lunch where the Rubble Wall approach leaves the trail. I went down to check out the climbs. Determined to get something done, I found and free soloed up and down all three teeth. Bicuspid was easy to find next, and although it actually overhung at the crux, the crux looked short and the holds were huge (it does overhang a little, right John?). Up and down I went with fanatical caution.

Done with four, I spent time looking at Incisor. This one scared me. It is tall and although the 5.7 route was easy to see, it is exposed and I absolutely could not see downclimbing it. The book said that there was an anchor on top though, and I had come all this way and did not want to finish with only four out of five routes done.  I went for it, this time with the rope backpacked onto my back.

Scary. But now that I was on the summit, the real scare began. A one bolt anchor, and the bolt was about as old as I was and not at all inspiring. But one bolt was all there was. And it looked like a very steep rappel. Having no choice, I did the rappel, thinking very light thoughts the whole way down.

Done. Even then, I wondered about how much risk I had just taken. I got away with it, and, I guess, I got away with a lot of similar stunts in the years before and after. I am grateful now for all I have done at Pinnacles, but there is a ton of stuff that I would never, ever repeat and which I hope no-one else will repeat either.

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2022, 08:29:39 AM »
^^^
Great story - even after hearing it previously.
I cannot imagine free soloing any of those routes.
It is especially hard to envision backing down that overhanging crux on Bicuspid.
That being said, there are only two lead bolts between those five routes.
Those bolts will only keep you from going all the way - they do little to protect the actual moves - but they do provide some momentary mental comfort once you have them clipped. It was a good feeling getting all that old hardware replaced.

Cats are said to have nine lives.

Brad evidently has more.
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2022, 09:04:30 AM »

It was a good feeling getting all that old hardware replaced.


I was up there about 35 years after these routes were first climbed. My reaction then, upon seeing the bolts they had placed amounted to "oh yuck." The stuff was rusty and of poor quality. I am sure that the hardware was standard for the time it was placed and that it looked better when it was placed. But yuck just the same.

When someone goes to those climbs 35 years from now their reaction will be different from what mine was. It will be along the lines of "oh wow, that stuff looks new."

Doing all the work to replace that hardware was a great public service.

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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2022, 03:06:32 PM »
Cats are said to have nine lives.

Brad evidently has more.

Of the 5 climbs Brad free soloed that day, only one of them required depending on something besides his skill and nerve.
Even though technically the climibing is not that hard, Brad has both of those elements in spades.

Here is the single point of old hardware





and what I replaced it with...


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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2022, 10:39:11 PM »
Sheesh JC, that bolt was just fine. You should have placed another star dryvin next to it.
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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2022, 07:41:09 AM »

 Thanks for the history, JC and Brad!
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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2022, 02:44:24 PM »
Sheesh JC, that bolt was just fine. You should have placed another star dryvin next to it.

I know you are just kidding (some readers might not get it).
I left that old bolt intact. Some people like to see the old stuff.
Normally I would remove the old bolt and reuse the hole but it was in the wrong location for rappelling and belaying.
The replacement anchor is in better rock and a better location for both belaying and rappelling. 
The old bolt looked well placed and may have decent holding power but the Leeper hanger was recalled decades ago.
waldo has an old box of unused star dryvins.
I think it would be fun to put up a new route with them on modern hangers.
I have led some Holmgren routes where he did that.
There is a star dryvin with a Metolius hanger on Baile de las Aguiles 5.9*
Some of his other routes have stars with stainless SMC hangers.
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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2022, 09:58:28 PM »
 ;)
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