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Middle Pal
« on: July 30, 2007, 02:53:15 PM »
Day hiked this sucker on Saturday via the class 3 NE Chute.  A fine climb, the chute is long.  I found the third class to be nice and solid most of the way up.  A lot of loose stuff in the chute, but it can be avoided.

Highly recommended. 

6 down, 9 to go.
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Re: Middle Pal
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2007, 10:27:58 PM »
sik, keep that shit rolling!
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Re: Middle Pal
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2007, 08:30:45 AM »
Nice! Is that Split?

I really need to get back to doing the 14ers.

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Re: Middle Pal
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2007, 06:15:39 PM »
Sweet.  Congrats

Day hiked this sucker on Saturday via the class 3 NE Chute.  A fine climb, the chute is long.  I found the third class to be nice and solid most of the way up.  A lot of loose stuff in the chute, but it can be avoided.

Highly recommended. 

6 down, 9 to go.
Here's to sweat in your eye

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Re: Middle Pal
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2007, 07:03:16 AM »
I had to look it up to know what you guys were talking about. Once I found out, I was more than impressed.  Here is the list in case there are people as clueless as I was:

California Fourteeners Peak List

1 14,495' Whitney, MountSierra Nevada
2 14,375' Mount WilliamsonSierra Nevada
3 14,264' White Mountain PeakWhite Mountain Range
4 14,242' North PalisadeSierra Nevada
5 14,200' Starlight PeakSierra Nevada
6 14,162' Mount ShastaCascade Range
7 14,153' Mount SillSierra Nevada
8 14,088' Mount RussellSierra Nevada
9 14,080' Polemonium PeakSierra Nevada
10 14,058' Split MountainSierra Nevada
11 14,040' Middle PalisadeSierra Nevada
12 14,026' Mount LangleySierra Nevada
13 14,018' Mount TyndallSierra Nevada
14 14,012' Mount MuirSierra Nevada
15 14,003' Thunderbolt PeakSierra Nevada
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Re: Middle Pal
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2007, 09:10:10 AM »
1 down 14 to go.
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Re: Middle Pal
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2007, 09:22:19 AM »
if all goes as planned ill tick off 5 in a day on 8/11.  attempting the traverse from t-bolt to sill, which includes:

1.  t-bolt
2.  starlight
3.  north pal
4.  polemonium
5.  sill

this will be a car to car attempt.
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Re: Middle Pal
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2007, 06:23:31 PM »
butt fur, the fact that I will be climbing on that day I would be ground support for that car to car action.

what's the logisticals on something like that?  how much stuff are you carrying really?  water in particular? 

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Re: Middle Pal
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2007, 12:04:58 PM »
"if all goes as planned ill tick off 5 in a day on 8/11."

NICE! I've been wanting to do that for years.

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Re: Middle Pal
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2007, 08:33:06 PM »
Just got back tonight from the Palisades. Did the North Coulior on Thunderbolt and Starlight Buttress. Both fine routes. That's it for me, I've done all the fourteeners in California.

I'd give Starlight Buttress two out of three stars (even though we did the last three pitches in the rain). Really nice. But 5.5? Ridiculous. Both Jim and I led sections of 5.7. "The Milkbottle" (summit of Starlight) was probably only 5.6??? But when the rock is wet and there is no pro, who knows. It's only 12 feet of climbing, but it'd be a bad fall. Getting to the top of Thunderbolt is exposed 5.8 slab for 15 feet, or a shorter section of 5.9 (no pro on either). Both of these are good routes - I think Fiddler/Monyier should have included Starlight Buttress in their Sierra Classics.

The glacier was enough to make you cry. Either it is dying, or this winter was unimaginably bad. Much of it is bare of snow, down to the glacial ice, and there are streams of water eroding that away, fast. Neither "V Notch" nor "U Notch" exist as ice climbs. "V" has almost no ice in the middle and the Bergshrund overhangs all the way across. It is filthy with rocks and dirt. The lower part of "U" looks like it collapsed into a heap.

Good luck, Jeff, that's one hell of an agenda. I've done every peak from Middle Pal to Winchell, but never the traverse. You've got a lot of very tricky ground to cover, but you sound like you're in incredibley good shape! Be ready for significant fifth class sections, and the normal piles of loose talus everywhere. Assuming that you're starting on the Thunderbolt North Coulior, it's mostly hard snow. Given what I saw, I'd think the East Face route might be a better way to get onto Thunderbolt (and it would eliminate the need for ice gear) Once you reach the summit of Polemonium it's easy going to Sill. The usual descent from Sill is mostly snow free, however. It looks like lots of loose stuff and will need more care than normal. Call me if you think I can add any information that would help (I could help with approach beta, gear and time estimates?).

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Re: Middle Pal
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2007, 08:41:38 AM »
Brad....that sounds like an awesome trip. I was at Mammoth from last Saturday until Wens. We ended up climbing Bear Creek and had a blast. My point was that there was a load of afternoon cloud instability over that same period of time. Wens ended up being the worst but both Tuesday and Wens I was glad to be mountain biking in leau of being up high.
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Re: Middle Pal
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2007, 09:00:14 AM »
Thanks for the report brad.  Right now I think the agenda is to go over bishop pass and tackle Thunderbolt from the SW Chute #1, descending Sill to the south and back over Potluck Pass, Thunderbolt Col, Bishops Pass and out.  Apparently Sill to Thunderbolt Col is quite arduous.  Thinking possibly about retracing back to Polemonium from Sill and downclimbing the back (south) side of Unotch.

Another option could be to approach the same way over Bishop, but descend Sill back down to North Fork.  Would we need ice axes for that?  I am not familiar with the area having only done Middle Pal.  The guy I am doing the traverse with did Sill a few weeks ago and said they used crampons and ice axe at some point during the descent.

Congrats on getting all the 14'ers.  My goal is to have all 15 done car to car by the end of next season.  So far I have done Whitney, White, Russell, Langley, and Middle Pal car to car.  I did Shasta in 93, but not car to car.

Tyndall/Williamson car to car should be fun.

Im not in really good shape, I have just finally discovered that if you get half way (ie the summit), you really don't have a choice except to get back.   RFP!!! (relentless forward progress)
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Re: Middle Pal
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2007, 09:11:43 AM »
butt fur, the fact that I will be climbing on that day I would be ground support for that car to car action.

what's the logisticals on something like that?  how much stuff are you carrying really?  water in particular? 

Iodine?



Munge, we might be two parties of two or 1 party of three, in which case I think we will bring twin 8's, 3 or 4 cams and some nuts.  If its just me and Dave, probably a singe 8 and just not fall on it.

Probably have 1 or 2 liters at a time, and pump when needed.  I used iodine on Middle Pal and I don't think I drank enough because of it.
Probably try and have 2, maybe 3 liters for the start of Thunderbolt, or at least pound a liter at the last fill up and carry two.  For me staying hydrated (and I drink a lot) will be key for being able to jog out on the descent.  Electorlyte tabs are key for me.
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Re: Middle Pal
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2007, 01:09:38 PM »
camp nano biners and the Metolius ultralight cams could be a nice combo.  The Metolius ultralight cams are on sale at mgear.com now too.

send that shit

i like the idea of that RFP!

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Re: Middle Pal
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2007, 04:16:13 PM »
Dam, you guys are actually climbing.
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Re: Middle Pal
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2007, 01:41:09 PM »
Tenaya Peak to Columbia to Tresidder notch and then down to Pywiack. Solid day.

Tenaya is totally fun.
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Re: Middle Pal
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2007, 11:40:09 AM »
What are you guys doing this weekend?

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Re: Middle Pal
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2007, 08:24:08 PM »
Heading up to northern cal to hang out with a bunch of hillbillies.
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